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Agreed!

Good questions and suggestions. Some of this will be addressed in the lecture next Friday, other stuff we hope to be able to publish in a Devblog soon after Fanfest.

Bleh. The economy in EVE is screwed up in more ways than I've bothered to count. If we want to turn EVE into the ultimate science fiction simulator, simulating a real economy as well as is possible would be the place to start. EVE does a good job, but not good enough, in this respect. Improvements are needed

The biggest problem, by far, is that things of value are created from nothing. Whether we're talking about bounties, loot, minerals from respawning asteroids (look Mom, the rock grew back!,) PLEX, or Aurum ... the more these things happen, the farther away from a believable economy that co-relates to reality EVE is going to get. Same goes for things of value disappearing into nothing. IE ... isk faucets / isk sinks. Of course, changing this aspect of the game would require a whole lot of work that would make EVE almost unrecognizable from any other game in existence (that I know of.) I think it would be GREAT if it could be pulled off, though. :

That was the root of the problem described in the blog. To get a little more specific to what was being discussed, I'm not at all surprised that PLEX has had an adverse impact on the market. It's also worth noting that while bounties may be the biggest faucet, with regards to inflation it's not the slices of the pie that we're looking at but rather where any increases are coming from. Incursions are new, and pumping over 1/4 of the money that bounties produce into EVE that wasn't there before. All this means is that people are getting more and more money than they used to have. By the laws of supply and demand, the more supply there is of something the less it is worth (unless demand rises equally to supply.) When applied to ISK, which is really just a commodity like any other, this means that when the average joe has more isk than he knows how to properly spend, the value of isk will decrease and therefore prices will rise

Therefore, we need to either increase demand for isk or reduce the supply of isk. I recommend a full blown industry/economy expansion sometime soonish. Winter or next summer maybe. Something that will bring balance to all things related to isk faucets/sinks, supply and demand. Give the people a reason to fight over resources again. That kind of thing

P.S. I'm not proof-reading. This was pretty much stream of consciousness, unedited, so I apologize for types and bad grammar and general unreadability.

**EDIT** Might be a good idea to change things so that the bulk of the ISK faucet goes to people who have a somewhat more economic mindset. I'm suggesting much less value to bounties/incursions/loot and much more value to raw materials. If the industry/trade people were to have the most ISK in the game, I can see only good things coming from it. Let the combat pilots fight over resources, not mindlessly shoot isk/loot dispensers that'll respawn all the time and slowly become more and more worthless.

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One thing that could certainly help is more clear lines of distinction between activities and their rewards from the various faucets while at the same time create the conditions that make everyone reliant upon all other activities.

For example, PI and mining are two activities that have different rewards. There is a good division of labor here, some specialization as well, though more is warranted in my view. The opportunity cost is clearly defined.

But only one of these activities has reliance upon the other. PI has a reliance upon mining, to get the ship to fly to a planet, you must have minerals. But it takes nothing from PI to go mine. PI has a little reliance upon ISK, to pay the taxes and fees, but it needs no ice products, requires no moon goo. The only thing PI consumes on a regular basis is ISK ... it's too simple.

Here's an example of poor division of labor, everyone knows what it is; it has been discussed for years, rat loot. When a player shoots rats, they are participating in more than one sector of the economy. They are mining, they are generating ISK and they are generating salvage. It consumes some minerals in the ship and a paltry amount in ammo, it generates enough minerals to make ammo cost little more than the price of BPO that more than pays for it self over time.

The value, in terms of time, is stolen from other activities and depresses those sectors of the economy. The opportunity cost of shooting rats is not distinct, the division of labor is muddied, the incentive to specialize in mining is decreased, the incentive to specialize in ammo manufacture is decreased - the player is too self reliant. An entire possible industry of "salvaging" is removed ... Perhaps the problem with rats is that rats have bounties at all. Something to think about, ISK can come from other sources just as easily.

Moon goo is a well defined and good industry, it has lots of reliance upon other sectors of the economy. It requires a whole host of activities to function, it pushes some players to specialization so that other players can specialize in other activities; together they may mine the moon at a profit and have time left to go shoot other players in the face.

T2 is an end product of moon goo and POS operation. Just as is T3 production; T3 production of substance requires realiance upon POS use and all that must happen to support a POS - they have reliance upon all those other activities. This kind of depth, though perhaps not the POS, should be added into T1 production as the complexity/meta/tier/size of T1 goes up, it can become more complex and rely upon more kinds of raw materials and more layers of production.

"The greater productivity of work under the division of labor is a unifying influence. It leads men to regard each other as comrades in a joint struggle for welfare, rather than as competitors in a struggle for existence."

- Ludwig Von Mises

By creating more divisions of labor and more opportunities for specialization, players will need to become more reliant upon their friends and more competitive with their rival groups. The market and guns will handle the disputes.

This is the entire concept Eve is based upon, joining up with some friends to make something bigger than your selves and defend it against those who would take it.

My argument = there are more sinks in null sec for everyone and less capabilities to make income have been introduced outside removing the tax on PI.

Am I the only one frustrated at not being able to zoom into those pics?

I can't read them for sh1T

We do have some of those numbers, courtesy of CCP Diagoras, even if they are a mix of a single day and over a month.

In January, some 175k characters ran 6.8 million missions and collected 4.37 trillion ISK in rewards and time bonuses. No number has been given for the amount of bounties collected in those missions, but some of the old omgz-L4-pays-too-much threads arrived at a suggested 1:2.25 ratio between those rewards and the bounties paid out, and if that's true, missions accounted for just under 10 trillion ISK in bountes.

That equates to an average of 2.6M ISK per mission runner per day.

On February 1st, some 1,780 incursion runners collected some 302 billion ISK for an average of 169M ISK per incursion runner for that day. Granted, some other numbers he posted suggested that February 1st was a particularly active day, paying out roughly 15% more than the average, so we should probably reduce the number by that much

That equates to an average of 144M ISK per incursion runner per day.

Both of these activities pay out LP, and in January, 5.7 trillion ISK were sunk into various LP stores. Historically, mission running has had an amount of ISK equal to pretty much all of its mission rewards and time bonuses sunk into LP, and if we assume that this trend still holds true, that means 4.37 of those trillions went to mission LP and 1.33 trillion went into incursion LP.

Mission runners thus sink 805k ISK per runner per day, reducing their net injection to 1.8M ISK per runner per day.
Incursion runners sink a hefty 24M ISK per runner per day, reducing their net injection to 120M ISK per runner per day.

That leaves the rest of the bounty payments, but no numbers have been given for how many anomalies/complexes/belt-ratters there are. A total of 27.03 trillion ISK were injected through bounties in January, and if we choose to believe the mission runner bounty calculation above, it means 17 of those trillions come from ratting in its various forms — that's 548bn a day spread over an unknown number of people. If there are more than 4500 of them on average per day, they injects less per person on average than the incursion runners do; if there are fewer, they inject more.

You should try understand what he says but since you seem to have difficulties I will do it for you: It is not enough to just nerf Incursions.