Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i support OP.

All SP in pew pew.
0 in industry.
but i have common sense.

and i am takling about tier3 BC ganks.
one BC can not kill any hulk it want in high sec.
its too big price difference for that.

Then use a Rokh. Easier to tank.

Honestly, this isn't very complicated.

You still wrote quite a bit for not caring that much. At least the OP actually appeared to not care about what I said, probably because it renders everything she said invalid.

And yes, I have stated on multiple occasions that I like to exaggerate things, and apparently massive amounts of hyperbole still doesn't get my point across to you lot.



Nothing is hard to gank below the capital ship level these days. Even a well fit machrial will fall victim to two or three tornados. If combat ready ships are fairly easy to gank then why should a ship not meant for combat be?



Technically you are aligned even if you are sitting still. The biggest killer of ships when they try to GTFO is usually not the time it takes to enter warp but actually the process of moving the ship so it is aimed at in a perfect line to the destination. Hence why pods warp almost instantly, because they are very agile. If you don't have to worry about agility your survival will be much better.




It's not supposed to represent real life, I'm trying to make a comparison to make the logic a little more relatable. I guess the ships don't need a buff after all considering how difficult it is getting this through your thick hulls. Plus it's far from cheap, you are guaranteed to lose a ship everytime you press F1 or your preferred turret hotkey. I still see hulks AFK mining all the time in busy systems. Either these people are bots, suicide ganking isn't that big a deal as these forums like to make it out to be(who's exaggerating now?) or miners simply don't give a damn about taking loses.



Ship price vs ship price has nothing to do with on this end of the spectrum. One ship is meant for combat the other ship is meant to shoot rocks. Why should a ship that is meant to be no where near the front lines be able to easily withstand attacks by cruisers?

And have you ever even tried to mine in low or null? It's suicide by yourself. Don't believe me? Take a fairly cheap ships with similar align times and speed to a hulk. A tier one racial hauler or something, then go through at least 5 jumps of lowsec and 5 jumps of nullsec during peak server times (no scouting). Then pull into an asteroid belt and wait. You'll probably be dead before you can even get to the last step.

Listen to you wanting risk free pvp in high security space where the reward should be 10 times worth your destroyer even if only a single module is dropped.

Infact, hisec jihadding is too profitable for the lack of risk involved. It should be nerfed.

And we dont have to do the thing where you pretend to care about mineral prices. We all know you want the cheapest ships possible on the market.....

Maybe if what you said were true, but unfortunately it isn't. You see, what you're doing is making a straw man argument. Sadly it doesn't work very well when people only have to look at what I ACTUALLY wrote at the start of this thread, to see that the bullshit you claim I wrote are in fact two different things.

That's shows a pretty stunning level of idiocy, and what is more you are arrogant with it.

Yeah, but Exhumers are some awesome ships as they stand.

They do not *need* a buff to prevent cheap ganks, as a little bit of time spent with EFT should demonstrate to most anyone.

As someone who has done a lot of nullsec mining, I would argue that this is because nullsec miners are considerably more careful than hisec pilots, in general.

That's a good point. I'm not against the way that works, because I feel like game mechanics should somewhat push people toward nullsec, but I guess I can't give miners' level of caution all the credit.

Other way around

High-sec protections should be lowered to the point where taking non-CONCORD based protection is the standard, not a competitive disadvantage for miners. Then highsec will be full of guys who can either tank ti3 bc volleys and those who either defend their mining fleets actively, or flatout lose money.