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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-03-16 23:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Doesn't appear to be many.

If you...
Exclude all the PvE content candidates...
Exclude all the people who say "we're all unhappy with eve and we'll change it...." without even hinting at how...
Exclude Mintrollo because.... obviously.

it leaves pretty much just Seleene and The Mittani. Maybe Alekseyev Karrde, but he's relatively unheard of.

Are these the only options we have?

Most of the candidates just say crap like:
"Vincent Athena" wrote:
My goal is to find solutions to issues that help everyone, no matter what part of the game you play

or
"Korvin" wrote:
Vote for the good game balance!

Vote for only finished game features!

Vote for our clear future in game!

How about a vote for a clear campaign platform? Seriously.

Personally, i want someone who will focus CCP on the PvP.
- Expanding PvP Options / Opportunities
- Introduce and/or fix forced-pvp mechanics (Pos/Poco and stuff like that)
- New mechanics to encourage/push more players into PvP situations


In the not-so-pvp things that i'm interested in:
- Newbie's 'first steps'. Many newbs quit eve, this needs to change.
- Overview settings are still overly messy and confusing.
- Eve <> Dust interactivity. I really hope CCP goes all-out on this, and doesn't take the pussy road. I want to see heavy Dust integration
-Continue cleaning up 'the little things' (CCP has done an amazing job at this in crucible, i want it to continue)


Who should a PvP'er vote for? Some of these other candidates must have more detailed plan then just "we'll fix it all!"

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-03-16 23:40:45 UTC
I could potentially run for CSM one day. I'd advocate lots of pvp content. But until then, Mitanni is the best bet.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-17 00:07:35 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:

How about a vote for a clear campaign platform? Seriously.

Anyone who offers a clear campaign platform should not be voted for, because they do not understand the CSM.

The CSM is not a political position, where the candidates go in, push laws through, make changes they desire and leave. The CSM is a sounding board for CCP.

CCP gives limited fucks about the CSM's ideas for some specific theory-crafted change to some specific form of 0.0 warfare or w/e. They are vastly more interested in what the CSM thinks of THEIR ideas.

Any CSM candidate who goes in saying "I SWAR TO IMPLEMENT HIGHLY SPECIFIC FEATURE X" is going to let down his voters, because unless its a god damn smashing idea, which it rarely is, CCP is going to say "that's nice honey, I'll think about it, now what do you think of this?".

Vote for someone who does the same things you do in game, and that way they will have the same concerns as you in mind when CCP asks them their opinion of a feature.

All that said,

SKIPPERMONKEY FOR SPACE EL PRESIDENTE!

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-17 00:11:09 UTC
The real truth is that 95% of the player base would turn down a position on the CSM as its just a computer game


I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-03-17 00:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Sir Substance wrote:

Vote for someone who does the same things you do in game, and that way they will have the same concerns as you in mind when CCP asks them their opinion of a feature.


Fair enough, but just saying
Quote:
My goal is to find solutions to issues that help everyone, no matter what part of the game you play

Still gives you no idea what he does in game / What he stands for

They need clear platform otherwise they say vague **** and nobody knows what he stands for. How am i to know if he'll react to CCP's ideas in the way i would?

Even if he isnt running to change specific things, Its still important to have a clear campaign platform to let people know where you stand.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-03-17 00:18:48 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Sir Substance wrote:

Vote for someone who does the same things you do in game, and that way they will have the same concerns as you in mind when CCP asks them their opinion of a feature.


Fair enough, but just saying
Quote:
My goal is to find solutions to issues that help everyone, no matter what part of the game you play

Still gives you no idea what he does in game / What he stands for

They need clear platform otherwise they say vague **** and nobody knows what he stands for. How am i to know if he'll react to CCP's ideas in the way i would?

Even if he isnt running to change specific things, Its still important to have a clear campaign platform to let people know where you stand.



yeah thats true.


I read all of the proposals and most of them just said vote for me and ill do stuff
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Mohr Cowbell
KarmaFleet University
#7 - 2012-03-17 00:20:32 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:


Who should a PvP'er vote for? Some of these other candidates must have more detailed plan then just "we'll fix it all!"


Based on your concerns, I think you should vote for Dovinian.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-17 00:22:15 UTC
Well, if you want rapid and full-scale DUST integration, you shouldn't vote for me; I think it should be handled carefully and in baby steps, because I flat out don't trust anything produced during CCP's period of irrational exuberance.

Basically everyone supports 'more little things' and 'better UI', that's like saying the sky is blue.

Most nullsec candidates are hardcore PvP guys.

hth~

~hi~
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-03-17 00:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Mohr Cowbell wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:


Who should a PvP'er vote for? Some of these other candidates must have more detailed plan then just "we'll fix it all!"


Based on your concerns, I think you should vote for Dovinian.

His "Ship balancing" stuff is what scares me. He doesnt really go into detail about it, just says "ships need to be changed"
Personally i want to see titans get their ability to DD subcaps restored. I realize thats not going to happen, but i see more threads discussing further titan nerfs and that combined with this vague "balance chips" makes me wary


The Mittani wrote:
Well, if you want rapid and full-scale DUST integration, you shouldn't vote for me; I think it should be handled carefully and in baby steps, because I flat out don't trust anything produced during CCP's period of irrational exuberance.

Basically everyone supports 'more little things' and 'better UI', that's like saying the sky is blue.

Most nullsec candidates are hardcore PvP guys.

hth~

Tbh i see Dust as mainly just interacting with the PI ****. PI is relatively new and i've always expected it to drastically change. I wouldn't mind watching CCP destroy PI several times trying to get it right.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-03-17 00:51:55 UTC
Fon Revedhort seems like another good choice.

I like his small gang / casual gaming position. I know several people who login a few times a week and rarely see action because they don't dedicate 5 hours a day to waiting for it

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-03-17 00:52:05 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Well, if you want rapid and full-scale DUST integration, you shouldn't vote for me; I think it should be handled carefully and in baby steps, because I flat out don't trust anything produced during CCP's period of irrational exuberance.

Basically everyone supports 'more little things' and 'better UI', that's like saying the sky is blue.

Most nullsec candidates are hardcore PvP guys.

hth~



Be honest Mittans if it wasn't for that CCP employee the CSM would not exist. No one cares for it and does this company really need to be told what to do by the playerbase. 

I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#12 - 2012-03-17 00:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
You could vote for me, but I'm not running.

Players who are not running or who are, and don't get elected, have about as much influence on CCP as those who are elected.


/CSM is meaningless except to serve as an ongoing PR stunt for CCP..

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2012-03-17 01:13:09 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
/CSM is meaningless except to serve as an ongoing PR stunt for CCP..


Not so sure about that, but even if it is, it just adds to the depth of the game, gives it something else interesting to do. And they give a bunch of people free trip to iceland =P

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2012-03-17 08:46:09 UTC
Moved from "EVE General Discussion".

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-03-17 09:17:54 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Well, if you want rapid and full-scale DUST integration, you shouldn't vote for me; I think it should be handled carefully and in baby steps, because I flat out don't trust anything produced during CCP's period of irrational exuberance.

Basically everyone supports 'more little things' and 'better UI', that's like saying the sky is blue.

Most nullsec candidates are hardcore PvP guys.

hth~



Be honest Mittans if it wasn't for that CCP employee the CSM would not exist. No one cares for it and does this company really need to be told what to do by the playerbase.




Given some of the tin-eared, foot-in-mouth, bull-in-a-china-shop things that CCP have said and done when they specifically decided not to consult the CSM, then I'd say that Hell Yes! they do need input from the playerbase.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#16 - 2012-03-17 09:47:06 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Doesn't appear to be many.

If you...
Exclude all the PvE content candidates...
Exclude all the people who say "we're all unhappy with eve and we'll change it...." without even hinting at how...
Exclude Mintrollo because.... obviously.

it leaves pretty much just Seleene and The Mittani. Maybe Alekseyev Karrde, but he's relatively unheard of.

Are these the only options we have?

Most of the candidates just say crap like:
"Vincent Athena" wrote:
My goal is to find solutions to issues that help everyone, no matter what part of the game you play

or
"Korvin" wrote:
Vote for the good game balance!

Vote for only finished game features!

Vote for our clear future in game!

How about a vote for a clear campaign platform? Seriously.

Personally, i want someone who will focus CCP on the PvP.
- Expanding PvP Options / Opportunities
- Introduce and/or fix forced-pvp mechanics (Pos/Poco and stuff like that)
- New mechanics to encourage/push more players into PvP situations


In the not-so-pvp things that i'm interested in:
- Newbie's 'first steps'. Many newbs quit eve, this needs to change.
- Overview settings are still overly messy and confusing.
- Eve <> Dust interactivity. I really hope CCP goes all-out on this, and doesn't take the ***** road. I want to see heavy Dust integration
-Continue cleaning up 'the little things' (CCP has done an amazing job at this in crucible, i want it to continue)


Who should a PvP'er vote for? Some of these other candidates must have more detailed plan then just "we'll fix it all!"


PvP is not me, the clear PvP candidate is Alekseyev Karrde. If I wasn't running myself I'd vote for him, The fact you didn't mention him is a clear indication this is not a serious post.

If exploding folks in space is your focus vote Alekseyev Karrde!!!

issler Dainze
Not a PvP candidate
A supporter of Alekseyev Karrde
Also a CSM 7 Candidate for high sec, mining and a balanced approach t improving Eve
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#17 - 2012-03-17 10:49:27 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen is more a low-sec guy, not highsec and if you read the PDF he put out, you'll see he has some real content there regarding how to fix it.

Trebor likewise has a great deal to say about game mechanics of all kinds.

.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#18 - 2012-03-17 15:09:20 UTC
Lol

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-03-17 15:12:39 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Lol


oh how you've managed to outdo yourself in terms of worthless attempts at contributing to a thread

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-03-17 15:25:52 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Fon Revedhort seems like another good choice.

I like his small gang / casual gaming position. I know several people who login a few times a week and rarely see action because they don't dedicate 5 hours a day to waiting for it


You might want to take a very careful look at his thread. There are a lot of things CCP mods have deleted that reveal certain real world views that, while not directly relevant to the game, seem to get brought up by Fon in game related discussions, that you might find completely repellent if you are like most people. You can still find it if you look carefully. That's all I can say, and even then this will probably get deleted. vOv
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