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Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#21 - 2012-03-16 16:06:14 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Andre Vauban wrote:
Not a single bunker taken during US primetime and a single one during EU prime time. The rest were all taken when everybody in Europe/US is at work/school/sleeping. Looking at the above tells me the caldari have a dominant AU timezone. Looks like us Gallente have to recruit some more New Zealanders and Australians.


Not to smack here but I dont think 0.0 sov holders time their rf timers to their enemy's prime-time either. Say what you want but dominant combat in Eve is and always will be blueballs. Nobody wants to lose ships, even if FW would actively support "lol t1 frigs for s..t and giggles enviroment", despite what people might boast. Perhaps in RvB but I have no personal experience there.

It's the nature of the beast. Every one will bring their link alts, neutral scouts, militia spy alts because we are essentially fighting over a name tag on the corner, it is "seriouz internet spaceship business".

Also, Bolsterbomb is definetely overstating the increased cooperation in militia. It's there but that we would now be monolithic killing machine. Hell no Lol


Dunno bout' you, but us Minmatar usually just like to shoot stuff. If you want a fight, make some of our **** go into RF and we'll have a nice fight. \o/

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-03-16 16:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Andre Vauban
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Andre Vauban wrote:
Not a single bunker taken during US primetime and a single one during EU prime time. The rest were all taken when everybody in Europe/US is at work/school/sleeping. Looking at the above tells me the caldari have a dominant AU timezone. Looks like us Gallente have to recruit some more New Zealanders and Australians.


Not to smack here but I dont think 0.0 sov holders time their rf timers to their enemy's prime-time either. Say what you want but dominant combat in Eve is and always will be blueballs. Nobody wants to lose ships, even if FW would actively support "lol t1 frigs for s..t and giggles enviroment", despite what people might boast. Perhaps in RvB but I have no personal experience there.

It's the nature of the beast. Every one will bring their link alts, neutral scouts, militia spy alts because we are essentially fighting over a name tag on the corner, it is "seriouz internet spaceship business".

Also, Bolsterbomb is definetely overstating the increased cooperation in militia. It's there but that we would now be monolithic killing machine. Hell no Lol


Don't get me wrong Damar, I'm not complaining about what you guys are doing. You are beating us fair and square. There is nothing wrong with attacking your enemy where and when they are weak. However, it's not fair to portray it as a walk in the park for you guys either.

Also, thanks for the respectful reply.

Also@ the above post. We like the fights too, but the Caldari just cannot go toe to toe with us during US or EU TZ. They are fighting small gangs for plexs, which they can go toe to toe with us and win. Whenever we show up with our typical blob, they just dock up and wait us out. However, if we don't bring a blob they are fighting tooth and nail for plexs.

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Flyinghotpocket
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#23 - 2012-03-16 19:02:21 UTC
Andre Vauban wrote:


Don't get me wrong Damar, I'm not complaining about what you guys are doing. You are beating us fair and square. There is nothing wrong with attacking your enemy where and when they are weak. However, it's not fair to portray it as a walk in the park for you guys either.

Also, thanks for the respectful reply.

Also@ the above post. We like the fights too, but the Caldari just cannot go toe to toe with us during US or EU TZ. They are fighting small gangs for plexs, which they can go toe to toe with us and win. Whenever we show up with our typical blob, they just dock up and wait us out. However, if we don't bring a blob they are fighting tooth and nail for plexs.


Lets discuss a typical gallente blob. a minimum completement of equal caldari ships currently in said plex. be it 4 caracal for example. typical blob SOP is to bring equal amount of cruisers so lets say 4 thorax's. But we are not done it. gallente dont want caldari running so they bring 2 interceptors for fast tackle, 2 assualtships maybe 1 destroyers for releiving the fast tackle. and just encase we take heavy casualties we will bring 2 cruiser rienforcements 2 minutes into the fight.

4 vs 11. typical blob ofc they are gonna run away.

the tactics are SOUND. but it is not good attitude for great fights which imo this game is about.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#24 - 2012-03-16 19:50:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Andre Vauban wrote:


Yes, we did not defend the bunker when you took it. Agoze was vulnerable for about 3 solid days though. Let's look at what times you took your systems:

Agoze 10:08
Brarel 21:08
Annancale 10:41
Intaki 16:38

Not a single bunker taken during US primetime and a single one during EU prime time. The rest were all taken when everybody in Europe/US is at work/school/sleeping. Looking at the above tells me the caldari have a dominant AU timezone. Looks like us Gallente have to recruit some more New Zealanders and Australians.


So wait.. When you Gallente went around taking Caldari systems when Caldari had no numbers to fight back you did it for "PVP"? For the last 4 months you guys bitched and moaned about wanting PVP while you had consistent numbers advantage of active pilots calling Caldari cowards because we couldn't match your numbers..

Now that Caldari can actually match or beat you in numbers at certain time zones you cry about not being able to compete? Those systems you mention are not the only ones.. Granted I've only been at a handful of bunker busts but are Calari supposed to wait for you Gals to be ready before we shoot one?

Some other systems taken by Caldari forces..

Nagamanen 10:31
Deven 10:56
Rakapas 14:19
Oicx 15:42
Enaluri 18:05
Akadgi 20:28
Hallanen 20:27

edit.. I had to correct the times.. as I didn't realize dot lan tracked every time a system was contested & contested.. Even still there is a pretty wide range of TZ and I don't have time at the moment to go back and look at others as I'm off to work now.

At the very least Gallente should have been able to field gangs leading into the US time zone on the systems captured from 18:00 to 20:00.. Not to mention it's not like Caldari have had outrageous numbers at any of the bunker bust's I've been on.


You Gallentes are just doing pretty much what I expected TBH.. Soon as you lose the 5 to 1 numbers advantage you stop fighting back. I suspect soon as Caldari recapture their plexes suddenly it will be "boring" or "worthless" as a common view point from Gallente to fight over plexes.

Prior to this when you guys captured the systems while having constant numbers advantage, it was of course all for "PVP".
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-16 20:31:25 UTC
Mutnin,

Typical Gallente attitude what can I say. Back in the days of Wolfsbrigade they complained they could not match the EU timezone. Now with the strong Amarr US timezone presence they complain about the US timezone weakness. Excuses Excuses.

In my time in the Amarr front I have learned the Amarr are numericly inferior but skill wise one Amarr Pilot is worth three or four Mimatar pilots (as shown in the first video below). Almost the same story with the Gallente now as 75% of the pilots rely on the 'blob' and 'school of fish' behavior to save them from the sharks. Although a few very bright examples of PvP skills exist in the gallnte fold of pilots that is the exception not the rule.

In the meantime we look forward to the good fights where superior tactics win the field. In the end of the day that is why we play eve. Not to see a small SOV window as to who owns what but the kind of fights shown below is our motivation in the Amarr 7th Fleet.

-Regards

Plex fights in Amarr Space http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT1QIk2fZvM&feature=player_embedded
Plex Fights In Intaki http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PQFqLnRk-Q&context=C4a0736fADvjVQa1PpcFMBeJkEWh2yMBYiCM9fEcmw0zxEar0aOb4=

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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#26 - 2012-03-16 21:52:32 UTC
i'm just mad cause they stylin on me

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Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#27 - 2012-03-16 23:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Cromwell Savage
If you guys (squids) fought like you did for Agoze on a REGULAR basis.....you wouldn't have to hump buttons to feel like you're "winning".

Most (not all) Gall's plex for two main reasons.....1) because the squids care about it more than we do (as a whole) and anything to aggrevate the squids is a win and 2) for fights.

Truth of the matter, having systems means absolutely nothing except here in the forums. When you guys were bringing out the dessie fleets and we had regular fights nightly...that was the most worthwhile plexing we've ever had. If you noticed...once that died off....so did most of our desire to "plex". Would I like to have all system remain Gallente? Of course, but not enough that Eve turns into a fulltime "job" of button humping. I'll do what I can, when I can for the reasons listed above, but damn if I will let it run my Eve life - lol.

You guys can keep crying about the typical blob excuses and such all you want. I've lost track of how many times I've seen Caldari gank/fight some Gal's with a superior force only to run and dock and cry "BROB!!!!" the moment a comperable counter force arrives. I've even seen your chat after fights in which I have personaly fought in out-numbered and out-shipped and seen complaints of us still "over doing" it - LOL. It's almost as if you guys are so predisposed to cry "blob" that you don't know any other way to explain a loss.

True blobbing happens on both sides, all sides, all the time. Instead of constantly crying about us actually arriving in force to a call for help, how about you guys unbork your coordination and do the same in return? Oh wait...that would require effort...

Regardless...still good to see you guys active. If losing systems means fights like Agoze...then I'm all for it. Anything to get you guys out and about in the USTZ works for me.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
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#28 - 2012-03-17 00:50:23 UTC
Cromwell Savage wrote:
If you guys (squids) fought like you did for Agoze on a REGULAR basis.....you wouldn't have to hump buttons to feel like you're "winning".

Most (not all) Gall's plex for two main reasons.....1) because the squids care about it more than we do (as a whole) and anything to aggrevate the squids is a win and 2) for fights.
ill beleive that with a grain of salt. if we arnt leroying fleets into you, your running away plain and simple

Cromwell Savage wrote:
Words
cowardice, typical heathen trait


Cromwell Savage wrote:
True blobbing happens on both sides, all sides, all the time. Instead of constantly crying about us actually arriving in force to a call for help, how about you guys unbork your coordination and do the same in return? Oh wait...that would require effort..


Regardless...still good to see you guys active. If losing systems means fights like Agoze...then I'm all for it. Anything to get you guys out and about in the USTZ works for me.

man up tell some of your guys in fleet that some of them are not going to fight, so you can get the "good fight" you seem to be wanting young padawan. And if you think your gonna get me by saying "you dont tell your guys they arnt going to fight" yes, as a matter of fact i do.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#29 - 2012-03-17 01:22:57 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Cromwell Savage wrote:
If you guys (squids) fought like you did for Agoze on a REGULAR basis.....you wouldn't have to hump buttons to feel like you're "winning".

Most (not all) Gall's plex for two main reasons.....1) because the squids care about it more than we do (as a whole) and anything to aggrevate the squids is a win and 2) for fights.
ill beleive that with a grain of salt. if we arnt leroying fleets into you, your running away plain and simple

Cromwell Savage wrote:
Words
cowardice, typical heathen trait


Cromwell Savage wrote:
True blobbing happens on both sides, all sides, all the time. Instead of constantly crying about us actually arriving in force to a call for help, how about you guys unbork your coordination and do the same in return? Oh wait...that would require effort..


Regardless...still good to see you guys active. If losing systems means fights like Agoze...then I'm all for it. Anything to get you guys out and about in the USTZ works for me.

man up tell some of your guys in fleet that some of them are not going to fight, so you can get the "good fight" you seem to be wanting young padawan. And if you think your gonna get me by saying "you dont tell your guys they arnt going to fight" yes, as a matter of fact i do.


LOL!

Okay... The only leeeeroy'n I've seen of you guys is a select few pilots and you quadriple boxing - how and why you even do that amazes me lol.

Man up? Hahaha. I like "good fights", even agreed to 1v1's on occasion, as much as anyone else - but I'll be damned if I'm gonna tell someone they can't come - not that I FC.... I will tell guys to hang back...but never to go away. It's not our fault if you can't get the numbers.

I'm not complaining about you guys "maneuvring" for a fight advantage - that's expected. But the US TZ as a whole (not all) is shockingly passive as a PvP opponent.
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#30 - 2012-03-17 02:33:07 UTC
Cromwell Savage wrote:


LOL!

Okay... The only leeeeroy'n I've seen of you guys is a select few pilots and you quadriple boxing - how and why you even do that amazes me lol.

Man up? Hahaha. I like "good fights", even agreed to 1v1's on occasion, as much as anyone else - but I'll be damned if I'm gonna tell someone they can't come - not that I FC.... I will tell guys to hang back...but never to go away. It's not our fault if you can't get the numbers.

Again the prescription for cahones is needed if you dont have the guts to tell a few of your members to not fight, when you KNOW we cant get the numbers.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-03-17 02:47:52 UTC
Well, I don't have the playtime most folk do, but in my limited 2-ish hour USTZ window, both sides blob. Though Blob is a relative term, as sometimes blob is 4 people, and others it's 14...

Regardless, we also fight equal numbers, or try to. We jump in equal or lesser numbers into a hostile rat plex, and the squids will run. That's not true all of the time (it should be noted that there are a number of guys, Damar included, that will stick around and fight even when outnumbered). The Sniper Corms and Arty Ruppy plex gangs that you guys have fielded are somewhat effective, but we've leeroyed enough into them that they just guarantee non-fights now.

I don't fault you guys for your tactics - some folks want fights, and some folks want to win the RP war. Most Gallente are the former.

Let's just cross our fingers and hope that Inferno cobbles them both together a bit better.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#32 - 2012-03-17 03:23:17 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Cromwell Savage wrote:


LOL!

Okay... The only leeeeroy'n I've seen of you guys is a select few pilots and you quadriple boxing - how and why you even do that amazes me lol.

Man up? Hahaha. I like "good fights", even agreed to 1v1's on occasion, as much as anyone else - but I'll be damned if I'm gonna tell someone they can't come - not that I FC.... I will tell guys to hang back...but never to go away. It's not our fault if you can't get the numbers.

Again the prescription for cahones is needed if you dont have the guts to tell a few of your members to not fight, when you KNOW we cant get the numbers.


I don't give a rats bottom if you can't get the numbers. That's your problem, not mine. After all, it's called Faction Warfare....not Fair Warfare.

While "gf's" are more fun...I'm not gonna pass on (nor deny someone else) an opportunity to kill WT's.

If you guys spent half as much effort on getting your people to undock and fight as you do placing the blame on us, we probably wouldn't be having this "discussion" - lol.

But regardless...as I said before...the renewed activity is good.
Flyinghotpocket
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#33 - 2012-03-17 03:33:45 UTC
Cromwell Savage wrote:


I don't give a rats bottom if you can't get the numbers. That's your problem, not mine. After all, it's called Faction Warfare....not Fair Warfare.

While "gf's" are more fun...I'm not gonna pass on (nor deny someone else) an opportunity to kill WT's.

keep trying justify how you dont have the nuts to be a real leader. or someone who is known for gf's instead you wanna be known as a **** talker and a blober.

Cromwell Savage wrote:

If you guys spent half as much effort on getting your people to undock and fight as you do placing the blame on us, we probably wouldn't be having this "discussion" - lol.

1 if you even undocked let alone showed your face around here instead of forum warrioring we could be fighting.
2 Everybody who flys with me undocks and fights even when you are blobing your faces off. That is how we took agoze. by fighting relentlessly.

awaiting more derp

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#34 - 2012-03-17 03:40:29 UTC
LOL....think you've already exceeded the derp limit.

07
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#35 - 2012-03-17 10:24:40 UTC
Cromwell Savage wrote:
If you guys (squids) fought like you did for Agoze on a REGULAR basis.....you wouldn't have to hump buttons to feel like you're "winning".

Most (not all) Gall's plex for two main reasons.....1) because the squids care about it more than we do (as a whole) and anything to aggrevate the squids is a win and 2) for fights.

Truth of the matter, having systems means absolutely nothing except here in the forums. When you guys were bringing out the dessie fleets and we had regular fights nightly...that was the most worthwhile plexing we've ever had. If you noticed...once that died off....so did most of our desire to "plex". Would I like to have all system remain Gallente? Of course, but not enough that Eve turns into a fulltime "job" of button humping. I'll do what I can, when I can for the reasons listed above, but damn if I will let it run my Eve life - lol.

You guys can keep crying about the typical blob excuses and such all you want. I've lost track of how many times I've seen Caldari gank/fight some Gal's with a superior force only to run and dock and cry "BROB!!!!" the moment a comperable counter force arrives. I've even seen your chat after fights in which I have personaly fought in out-numbered and out-shipped and seen complaints of us still "over doing" it - LOL. It's almost as if you guys are so predisposed to cry "blob" that you don't know any other way to explain a loss.

True blobbing happens on both sides, all sides, all the time. Instead of constantly crying about us actually arriving in force to a call for help, how about you guys unbork your coordination and do the same in return? Oh wait...that would require effort...

Regardless...still good to see you guys active. If losing systems means fights like Agoze...then I'm all for it. Anything to get you guys out and about in the USTZ works for me.


No offense man but you know that is a load of BS.. Big smile

I dunno maybe you guys are just so used to doing it, that it seems OK or normal, but I've seen time and time again that when Caldari show up with frigs & dessies you guys show up with cruisers half of them be faction or T2. If we show up with T1 cruisers half your gang is faction/T2 cruisers & other half is BC's.

It's like this all the time, I'd sure love to be around when Gallette stay around to fight while outnumbered because typically those times only happen when you are forced into by getting baited or trapped. Lol
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#36 - 2012-03-17 10:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Hrett wrote:
Well, I don't have the playtime most folk do, but in my limited 2-ish hour USTZ window, both sides blob. Though Blob is a relative term, as sometimes blob is 4 people, and others it's 14...

Regardless, we also fight equal numbers, or try to. We jump in equal or lesser numbers into a hostile rat plex, and the squids will run. That's not true all of the time (it should be noted that there are a number of guys, Damar included, that will stick around and fight even when outnumbered). The Sniper Corms and Arty Ruppy plex gangs that you guys have fielded are somewhat effective, but we've leeroyed enough into them that they just guarantee non-fights now.

I don't fault you guys for your tactics - some folks want fights, and some folks want to win the RP war. Most Gallente are the former.

Let's just cross our fingers and hope that Inferno cobbles them both together a bit better.


You do understand that 99% of the time I'm around I've already scouted your "equal" numbers. Please don't assume that we don't already know that the Drake, Thorax & Vexor sitting in the plex or on the gate don't have 8 or 9 guys in the next system ready to jump in at a beck & call.

If there is one thing I'm good at it's scouting and knowing what I'm about to fight or run from. Also I don't just scout with my other alt that's in Caldari.. Blink


Cromwell Savage wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Cromwell Savage wrote:


LOL!

Okay... The only leeeeroy'n I've seen of you guys is a select few pilots and you quadriple boxing - how and why you even do that amazes me lol.

Man up? Hahaha. I like "good fights", even agreed to 1v1's on occasion, as much as anyone else - but I'll be damned if I'm gonna tell someone they can't come - not that I FC.... I will tell guys to hang back...but never to go away. It's not our fault if you can't get the numbers.

Again the prescription for cahones is needed if you dont have the guts to tell a few of your members to not fight, when you KNOW we cant get the numbers.


I don't give a rats bottom if you can't get the numbers. That's your problem, not mine. After all, it's called Faction Warfare....not Fair Warfare.

While "gf's" are more fun...I'm not gonna pass on (nor deny someone else) an opportunity to kill WT's.

If you guys spent half as much effort on getting your people to undock and fight as you do placing the blame on us, we probably wouldn't be having this "discussion" - lol.

But regardless...as I said before...the renewed activity is good.


So then why don't you Gallente entertain us when you aren't in your prime time? You expect us to feed your blobs, yet you don't seem to think you should need to return the favor. Seems fair right?
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#37 - 2012-03-17 14:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Cromwell Savage
Mutnin wrote:

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LOL...

Keep playing how you are and blaming us... It's the cycle of the Cal/Gal front Big smile

There are still plenty of targets to shoot when you guys are not around. My game won't change.

Oh...and concerning "scouts".... neither do I ... P

07
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#38 - 2012-03-17 14:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Cromwell Savage
Cromwell Savage wrote:


Oh...and concerning "scouts".... neither do I ... P



Oh..I mispoke, somewhat, concerning "caldari" alts...mine ARE in the Caldari Militia...and may or may not have actually flown with some/most of you already....

Not that this has mattered to this point.....lol.

Seriously...it has been quite anti-climactic getting my main toon in as far as it has... Honestly don't care if he/she's "rooted out" at this point. Maybe then I can actually respond to the loads of rubbish I see in the various chats Lol.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#39 - 2012-03-18 13:18:53 UTC
12 systems to 7. Scoreboard baby! Please post next update when you're actually ahead. Big smile
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#40 - 2012-03-18 13:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
X Gallentius wrote:
12 systems to 7. Scoreboard baby! Please post next update when you're actually ahead. Big smile


You guys haven't captured a new Caldari system in a month. Meanwhile Caldari have captured all 7 of the currently held Gallentte system just this month. Added to this Caldari has recaptured multiple of it's own systems that were held by Gallentte over the last 2 months.

Your captures were done when Caldari Militia was inactive and not fighting back. Caldari's captures have come at a time the Militia is still rebuilding and almost constantly out shipped when fighting. Even still you haven't been able to stop the captures of your systems no matter how many alts you guys try to use to AFK plexes.

Counting down til "we didn't want those systems anyway" or "plexing is boring" excuses start showing up. Blink