EVE General Discussion

I was thinking it was a supply/demand issue. I'm glad you pointed out that the battleship volume is holding steady.

Mining in the game is just not fun and has been ridiculed since day one. Why CCP hasn't made it fun is beyond me... If something in a game is not fun that I'm working on, I extend it to be something fun (keeping what players like about the system while adding more that is fun - like maybe crystals for lasers that require a mini-game to balance heat and mineral flow).

Anyway, I would like to see the ratting income number broken down by security status. I know I can make 100mil an hour (easily) ratting in 0.0 belts. I make more than that now in my new home with different methods, but that isk is sales and not from an isk faucet.

To this question of moons. Leave them as they are, and I must point out, I have no stake in owning a moon. As far as trading goes, I don't care what it is, as long as I can get in when it is low and out when it is high.

Eve should have some geographic rich spots, in fact it should have a few more, there should be something common and rare in every part of the map, from high to null, that can only be found in that area but is needed every where. This sets up opportunities for players, from conflict to trade.

Interesting idea to break up the T2 monopoly & its decrease T2 costs... I guess I'd also ask why not also start replacing the Sansha incursion with a sleeper incursion to spread the nano ribbons out amongst all 3 spaces (Empire, NULL, & WH )

Well because occupying a WH is a complex operation with a lot of risk involved and no further rewards. I daresay it's a lot more complex and 'endgame' then joining up with an alliance (though the rewards are also a lot better). Still, there are plenty of reasons to occupy null, outside the moongoo, but very few outside T3 stuff to occupy W-space.

Besides, there is no monopoly on T3 components, in the way there is on moongoo. There is still an abundance of W-systems completely deserted. I don't think there is any reason why nanoribbons and such should be spread out.

The market in EVE is in fact inflated.

200 items get bought and sold for PvP, the rest are token variations that get traded for profit.

Excessive T2 prices like that had more to do with monopolies on the BPOs and a huge discrepancy between supply and demand. Measuring any kind of price-level using T2 would be ridiculous, considering the fact it's probably the most convoluted production-line existing in the game with a history riddled with monopolies and gameplay changes.

The more I think about it the less I find myself finding any reason to argue against Soundwaves assessment. Yes I agree that Incrsions are what are creating the massive inflation right now, and the correct response to that is to increase the amount of isk sinks to properly balance that out. But in the end that accomplishes the exact same thing that a wholesale reduction of bounties accomplishes. If we assume that proportionally incursioners are making the "intended" amount compared to missioning and plexing, then the increase in sinks only serves to reduce the non-incursioners buying power by 20%.

Sure it doesn't seem as bad to most people, but I would never put it past CCP to take the stupid route to solving a problem rather than the functionally equivalent but more player friendly solution. So whether they decrease bounties or increase sinks the net result is the same on everyone.

The only ways around this are if the new sinks are specific only to incursioners (too difficult, makes too much logical sense) or if incursion rewards were moved away from isk and into other forms of payment like LP (too easy, self balancing, and too many other good reasons to do this)

You graphs are still not showing monetary inflation. Monetary inflation due to an over abundance of ISK would result in a relatively steady increase in prices overtime. What the graph shows is market volatility as a result of many different factors not price inflation due to an increase in the money supply

The data just doesn't support your position. the initial bump on the graph coincides with the introduction of PI not incursions. Which makes perfect sense, CCP replaced a heavily regulated market that had a fixed price/costs and an unlimited supply with a completely new player controlled mechanic.

The data just isn't consistent with monetary inflation. once again if we were looking at monetary inflation we'd see a steady increase in prices over time as the general supply of isk increased relative to production. This is not what has happened.

Now you probably won't see a return to pre-PI prices because those inputs are limited by supply rather than simply being a factor of demand (NPC supplied items have an effective unlimited supply and their price is fixed which puts an artificial constraint on the market). Whether prices return to the Dec levels is going to depend on how the Russian war resolves itself and whether CCP removes drone goo as a major sources of minerals.

The EVE economy is a fairly complex beast but monetary inflation isn't. Monetary inflation is a oversupply of currency relative to the overall economy and would manifest in a steady increase in prices over time.

Now I'm not saying that there isn't any monetary inflation, there probably is. in fact a certain amount of inflation is generally healthy for an economy as it provides an disincentive to hoard currency.

You would expect a general increase the supply of currency as the player base matures and becomes more efficient at harvesting isk, you'll also see a change in spending habits overtime as this happens. which is why I don't consider the 5% increase in money supply relative to population that CCP's economist reported to be indicative of a problem

The point is the level of monetary inflation that has manifested in EVE has not caused the market failures associated with hyper-inflation. In fact all indicators are to the opposite. The EVE economy is humming along quite nicely. The bears are farming their isk the PVPers are blowing up their ships and everyone is having a good ole time. Which in the end is the whole point of the economy in the game.

What I read indicates that a tiny amount of players are injecting almost 25% of the ISK into the economy.

Do you suspect that 25% of Eve's population run incursions? If not, then it's broken.

Because I can pretty much guarantee you that more than 75% of the population contribute to bounties.

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Your graphs are talking out their bum. I was following the PLEX prices due to being in the market. Interdiction started, prices went down. Interdiction ended, prices went back up. There's a little bathtub in the graph right about that time. Then there are the PLEX offers which despite their unattractiveness compared to GTC from resellers do have an impact on PLEX prices ingame.

There are downward fluctuations over the year that very closely correspond with PLEX offers, the interdiction, and school holidays. There are peaks which correlate with pre-expansion speculation and others which correlate with "OMG PLEX PRICES" posts by market manipulators.

Perhaps try running with shorter rolling durations, since a 7-day rolling average is going to show you nothing of value apart from week long trends. Try an 8 hour rolling average to spot trends shorter than a week.

As for your statistics, note that p-scores are used for determining the confidence that a particular result set fits your hypothesis. Statistics and probability are about analyzing sets of numbers in a static sample, not trends, and certainly have nothing to do with facts.