EVE General Discussion

According to the latest devblog. (Correct me if I'm wrong here) More ISK came from bounties then incursions.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9115

Mainly this quote...

"There‘s certainly a lot of money coming from Incursions.  Incursion rewards in December amounted to 9.6 trillion ISK, which is an all time high, while the rewards in January and February were 9.0 and 8.7 trillion ISK respectively.  That‘s quite a bit of money entering the economy.  However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are.  Bounty prizes paid out in February totalled 33 trillion ISK."

So Apperantly incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, but then how come I keep on reading posts stating that it is and how it should be stopped...

Oh wait, only null alliances are saying that, while having the bigger ISK faucet...

That's why I added it to my sig. But jelly people are just blinded and see only what they want to see

We're still waiting on ISK-per-person-per-activity figures I believe.

I actually like this idea, increase the materials needed for construction. Decrease the yield from reprocessing modules, and increase the yeild from asteroids...

We knew bounties were the biggest ISK faucet.

There are vastly fewer players (and sites available for) running Incursions than other PVE content.

That their ISK injection averages around 9 trillion ISK per month is quite telling.

The bounty injection from non-incursion runners would have stayed more-or-less constant over time, while the added ISK from incursions is new.

This is the most irresponsible representation of facts I could imagine, and it's quite telling of just how "Fearless" CCP really is.

I'm sure some devs spent literally weeks copying the code for Rikti Raids from COH, after all.

Just in: Eve is displayed on monitors using pixels as a base unit!

"Bounties" includes all rat kills, missions, and anomalies all over the galaxy. AFK miners with a few combat drones orbiting them contribute to the bounty numbers. So of course there will be more bounties.

Let's look at it this way: Incursion payouts represent roughly 25% of the isk injected into the system.

Now consider what percentage of the player population those payouts are going to. Incursion farming by the "elite" incursion crowd is creating unbalanced wealth that is going to hurt everyone BUT those who make a career out of incursions.

Overall isk injection is irrelevant.

What is relevant is isk injection PER CAPITA.

I am under the distinct impression that those figures would not be anywhere nearly as benign.

Also, what ^ said about population. We know for a fact that not even close to 25% of players are running Incursions, so it follows that the proportion of isk injected into the economy through incursion players is disproportionate to most other activities in the game.

Both are relevant.

Simply effecting one area of the game but not compensating for overall growth in wallets wont help to solve the inflationary issues.



The fact that someone earns more than you and you don't like that is largley due to jealousy and as such not a very rational argument. Otherwise following that logic it is most likley miners who should be most aggrieved and as such they should get the most focus next as to who should have a income balance. But of course that is always based on activity anyhow and doesnt really help them as you can only ever make the proffession more competative. But if it was purely based on wallets then they would have the most case to complain.

Also it assumes we should never ever introduce high end challenging features to the game that have significant rewards I guess? Unless of course those individuals who are continuing to bleet about incursions who don't run them and simply want to ensure their wallet isnt touched and they want to ensure that they get more income themselves. Which is rather self defeating if you assume inflation to be an issue in EvE. Also CCP have already stated that they will be mixing up the gameplay in incursions accordingly. Also dont "inflate" the figures, incursions are currently operating at 20% of faucets not 25%.

Or maybe just never introduce any new features into the game that provides new income possibilities. However, isk sinks could be applied to allow for this. Also the assumed removal of bots will help if they are also effecting bounties of course. Drone poo to bounties however, whilst good for mining will also add to the issue.

However in theory, how do we compensate for a generally accepted view of more new players and also old players coming into or returning to EvE adding to the pot. Or people improving their skills and earning potential due to a better understanding of the game. Hence the quote above why inflation is relevant even when you take incursions out of the picture. Hence why CCP largley has to look at the the big picture and as they have quoted look to see where the main actual issues are for inlation and overall income.

Considering that inflation was last quoted at 1% per month. And that CCP are considering a large macro rebalance over the whole of EvE including incursions which will likely include a mix of bounty and sink adjustments as suggested I really can't see what the big deal is about. CCP will like to keep a healthy apportionment of inflation just to avoid deflation I guess, but even using the literal rebalance of these things if you were earning 100 mil isk a month you'd now be earning 99 mil a month to avoid inflaltionary issues where they are needed.

I really can't see what the headache is about this and I have to say the CCP seem to be handling the whole affair quite sensibly and with a greater understanding of how things are operating.

I guess people will fight for every knickle and dime, but ignore any greater issue as they can't see past the blinkered view of there own lot. Attempt to nerf others irresponsibly but still leave themselves with economic problems, it's just stupid.

And this coming from a relatively new player, who doesn't run incursions and hasn't really had the opportunity to get into the big money as yet. And to remind people of where the wealth is being controlled (other than alliance or corporation wallets):

http://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagoras/status/162116028741062656/photo/1

And yet there is still more calls for gimmie, gimmie, gimmie from the bittervets who want loads of veteran rewards. Meanwhile the average EvE public has to suffer the burden of problems and the newbie penalised further into getting into the game I guess?

Whilst I recognise that Veterans have devoted and invested more into the game and should have some aspect of reward. Can we at least do it so as not to make the game elitist and selfish that it has a chance to encourage others into participating. Or perhaps people generally could actually begin to see that the meta win policies some want to introduce or just general selfish attitudes is simply not helping them or the whole of EvE in the longer term or rasing the important wealth in the game, that being players, freindships and the most important commodity fun.

Fortunatley, I see CCP suggesting a shared change to the inflation problem with perhaps some focus to where the problems exist. So all your "I want" rants I hope will be wasted attempts of trying to ignore the actual facts.

Botters gonna bot.

Stop making sense.