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Races. What's the point?

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Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-03-16 17:50:36 UTC
Soporo wrote:
Ought to get a (small) boost of some sort for flying your racial ships. Amarr 2% cap bonus for instance, or everyone just gets a 1% grid or cpu bonus or something. Something


Yet another boost for the Winmatar?
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-03-16 17:53:39 UTC
If all the 4 races ships were homogeneous they would look like this.
Assymetric rusty golden potatoes.

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Kid Chaos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-03-16 18:29:05 UTC
I agree. The fact that the race you chose for flavor reasons doesn't pigeon hole you into ship types or skill sets on the absurd notion that anyone can learn / do / fly anything based on their interests and applied effort towards learning those skills / ship types, is just f***ing stupid.

Everyone of the same race should have the same inherent interests, abilities, attributes, and should therefor excel in EXACTLY the same fields, just like in real life!

Good call, OP. Good call...
Arlen Fehrnah
MLJ Space League
#24 - 2012-03-16 21:00:26 UTC
I chose Amarr because they have the nicest ships, and I love their lore. My character will never fly Minmatar, because they are filthy slaves. Why would I lower myself to flying their primitive ships? Likewise I wouldn't fly Gallente, they are almost as bad as the Minmatar. I could possibly fly a Caldari ship, as they are atleast allies with the Amarr, but it's unlikely.

I do agree there should be some sort of bonus for people who actually stick with their race, rather than flying whatever the fad is at the time. Nothing much, just something like the 1/2% slight bonuses someone mentioned. It's not entirely needed, but would be a nice incentive to stop everyone flying drakes just because the internet says they are good.

If the game was brand new, about to be released, I would rather have seen crosstraining unavailable, or atleast something that requires a very large skill/time investment. It's far too late for anything like though, so I'll just make do flying my subpar Amarr ships and feeling good about myself, because at least I'm not some FOTM bandwagoner.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#25 - 2012-03-16 21:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Everything has been nerfed to kingdom come, get back to the reason the races are different, VARIETY! Everything has been nerfed so much at this point that there is little reason to train one race over the other, since they all have to be "balanced". All ships will excel at something, find a way out counter it, evolve, or die.

Except the drake which was a freak of nature Big smile

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Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-03-17 01:26:53 UTC
Achuras Online is why the races are mostly the same.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#27 - 2012-03-17 01:39:18 UTC
It could be neat to see them make instead of making our characters att / skillwise different if they add legacy ships in way of having different noob ships depending on your bloodlines, or even more useful like ships, not necessarily exclusive to the others, just yours until someone gives it up. And no, I'm not thinking SWTOR legacy, just some custom looking ships that are inspired by bloodlines. *shrugs*

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Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#28 - 2012-03-18 19:04:49 UTC
Terron Kerrix wrote:
What do you think?


I mainly think its shocking how many people agree with you and therefor agree with you. Its really sad to be honest.

Races allow for different concepts, allows for factional warfare and different NPC opponents to just name a few quickly.

I mean is Armor tanking equal to Shield tanking?

Is firing missles the same as blasters?

Are autocannons and lazors really the same?

Are neut bonussed ships the same as web bonussed ships?

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. If you really believe all races and ships are equal I cant help you. No one can, all I can say is find another game and can I haz your stuffz please?

Thanks in advance.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#29 - 2012-03-18 21:39:45 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Avatar aesthetics and about 12hr or so head start in training. In the old times races and the society selections made a big difference. But too many complaints that they got "balanced " into irrelevance.

Do keep this in mind when vociferously calling for nerfs in the name of balance. We might just end up with ships only differentiated by aesthetics too.

Races were made the same because for the longest time there were 2 options: Make an achura, or make something that's not as good as an achura. The initial differences in stats, at the time the only difference between the races aside from aesthetics, was big enough that unless you wanted to avoid skill sets for things like weapons and ships, there was one clear winner and everything else was sub-par.

Plus one of the core aspects of eve is that you can crosstrain into anything and be equally effective in it, it's one of the things that separates it from other MMOs.
stoicfaux
#30 - 2012-03-18 21:52:17 UTC
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Veronica Kerrigan
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#31 - 2012-03-19 05:15:29 UTC
I, for one, have strong ties to Minmatar. This is an MMORPG, and those last three letters do indeed stand for Role Playing Game. My brother was a slave for most of his life, and I spent the first several month I was a capsuleer trying to free him from the tyrannical Amarrians. I had a lead, and rescued him in late january last year. He was being transported by a blood raider captain who, upon the saving of her life, swore eternal loyalty to me. I now fight for the honor of my tribe, and to show that the republic makes the fiercest warriors in the galaxy. Coudn't say the same if I weren't minmatar now could I?
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#32 - 2012-03-19 15:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
This game thrives on diversity, so being able to fly all ships with so little added costs besides the skillpoints is in my opinion not a good thing. The more diversity, the more differences there are to take advantage of.

Ofcourse it can be annoying sometimes so have the short straw sometimes when it comes to your racial ships in a certain role, but without substantial racial boundaries between ships, we're now in a situation where the entire community swings from a handful of ships to the next, 'outdating' everything else.

Separating the mob over the four races more, would mean more ships stay popular out of necessity. And people would deal with their racial sniper or logi not being the 'best', by mixing up their strategy and tweaking its role.

Sadly, this will never happen. Too many players are anxious to be able to do everything, afraid they're not min-maxed, and CCP doesn't have the backbone to enforce a measure of diversity in this game that divides homogenous groups of players. FW is their only real attempt so far, but CCP left it to wither.

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Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#33 - 2012-03-19 15:25:26 UTC
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
I, for one, have strong ties to Minmatar. This is an MMORPG, and those last three letters do indeed stand for Role Playing Game. My brother was a slave for most of his life, and I spent the first several month I was a capsuleer trying to free him from the tyrannical Amarrians. I had a lead, and rescued him in late january last year. He was being transported by a blood raider captain who, upon the saving of her life, swore eternal loyalty to me. I now fight for the honor of my tribe, and to show that the republic makes the fiercest warriors in the galaxy. Coudn't say the same if I weren't minmatar now could I?


Nope.

To do that you would have to add a line at the top about how you were an orphan rescued by Minmattar freedom fighters...
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-03-19 15:38:43 UTC
If races limited the ship type you could fly that would completely mess things up for 2 reasons:

1) How would you know what ships you want to fly when you just started? You would be choosing to limit yourself to 1 race when you have no idea how good that race is or if you would eventually want to fly ships of another race.

2) CCP relies on cross training to give older players more things to train. If they only train 1 race, they reach end-game and get bored faster.

So that is why no racial penalty what ship you can fly.

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-03-19 21:30:25 UTC
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
I, for one, have strong ties to Minmatar. This is an MMORPG, and those last three letters do indeed stand for Role Playing Game. My brother was a slave for most of his life, and I spent the first several month I was a capsuleer trying to free him from the tyrannical Amarrians. I had a lead, and rescued him in late january last year. He was being transported by a blood raider captain who, upon the saving of her life, swore eternal loyalty to me. I now fight for the honor of my tribe, and to show that the republic makes the fiercest warriors in the galaxy. Coudn't say the same if I weren't minmatar now could I?



That's unsettling.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-03-19 22:52:46 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
Races were made the same because for the longest time there were 2 options: Make an achura, or make something that's not as good as an achura. The initial differences in stats, at the time the only difference between the races aside from aesthetics, was big enough that unless you wanted to avoid skill sets for things like weapons and ships, there was one clear winner and everything else was sub-par.

Plus one of the core aspects of eve is that you can crosstrain into anything and be equally effective in it, it's one of the things that separates it from other MMOs.


To be fair, pre-Bloodlines and the introduction of the asian bloodlines to appeal to the Chinese over on Serenity, picking a race did actually mean something, as did picking the background school. The stats and starting skillsets were pretty different.

CCP did make a balls up when they did Bloodlines though, the new bloodlines totally obsoleted the existing ones unless you specifically wanted a black dude with dreads and Aviators as your avatar.
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-03-20 00:11:16 UTC
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
I, for one, have strong ties to Minmatar. This is an MMORPG, and those last three letters do indeed stand for Role Playing Game. My brother was a slave for most of his life, and I spent the first several month I was a capsuleer trying to free him from the tyrannical Amarrians. I had a lead, and rescued him in late january last year. He was being transported by a blood raider captain who, upon the saving of her life, swore eternal loyalty to me. I now fight for the honor of my tribe, and to show that the republic makes the fiercest warriors in the galaxy. Coudn't say the same if I weren't minmatar now could I?


I have strong ties to Caldari.
I am a traditional Caldari Calzone chef who hates how Gallente pizza has perverted Caldari cuisine.
Upon saving the life of a wealthy restaurant investor, I now run "Surprise Missile Calzone Hut" in Jita for the honor of traditional Caldari Calamari Calzones.

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Alara IonStorm
#38 - 2012-03-20 00:49:10 UTC
Darthewok wrote:

I have strong ties to Caldari.
I am a traditional Caldari Calzone chef who hates how Gallente pizza has perverted Caldari cuisine.
Upon saving the life of a wealthy restaurant investor, I now run "Surprise Missile Calzone Hut" in Jita for the honor of traditional Caldari Calamari Calzones.

Fellow patriot.

I salute you in your honorable endeavor to protect our national heritage. I for one am appalled by the lack tradition asymmetric pizza served within our nation.

Glory to the Caldari State.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-03-20 02:13:45 UTC
I chose Gallente for the political background (Space America) and the general cyber-punk feel that they had going on before the new avatars.

I think the new avatars were well done but I find it almost impossible to distinguish the difference between a Gallentean and Caldarian from the avatars, especially among the female avatars.

I was originally going to stick with Gallente drone boats, but I sorta drifted towards Amarr and Caldari after buying into forum bullshit (I was a newb).

I also did about 5 minutes of research before I joined the game (which race is good at what pretty much) and I loved the concept of hybrids.

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