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Mining help

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Lijah Sai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-03-16 17:17:17 UTC
Hey guys and gals, I was just wondering if any of you could help me, I'm fairly new to eve and want to start mining, what is the cheapest way to get in to it (which ships would you recommend and which skills) Thanks in advance
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-03-16 17:28:58 UTC
What you're looking for is the Complete Miner's Guide. It's got pretty much everything you want to know about mining, and then some. Some of the prices in the guide are slightly dated (so run your own numbers for ISK/h based on current mineral prices), but all of the info in the guide is still completely relevant and still the go-to guide for miners.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#3 - 2012-03-16 17:29:26 UTC
Frigate with mining bonuses (Navitas, Bantam, Burst, forget the Amarrian one). Use that til you can get in a retriever, then covetor, then hulk.

Skills are pretty self-explanatory (Mining, Astrogeology, whatever other pre-reqs for the strip miners and barges/exhumers).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Lijah Sai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-03-16 17:40:16 UTC
Thanks for the help!
Father Void
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-03-16 20:16:23 UTC
Lijah Sai wrote:
Thanks for the help!


Here's some bullets tips:

* Until you are really eeking every skill point out of your character avoid mining drones. they really won't make huge difference.

* Try and get you mineral processing skills up to level three once you're in a retriever or above. Using mining crystals will really help.

* Stay in HiSec until you learn the ropes. If you're in a corp that will strongly help and guide you then explore other areas.

* If you plan on doing any combat with this character look into battleship mining. This way you'll have skill point vested that way. But if you plan on only mining start shooting for the Hulk and stay focused.

* When mining align you ship to an exit station/gate. Even in HiSec you never know when someone might pick a fight with you. Aligning your ship can and will save your ship.

* If you plan on AFK mining just contract your ship to a stranger. You'll save yourself some time.

* Remember mining can be boring so find ways to entertain yourself while mining. Play blink (ww.cogdev.net/blink), help your corp by recruiting or staffing the public channel, shop for items. if you get your marketing skills up you can buy and trade remotely.

* Love math or hate it mining is all about efficiency. At least review the formulas in the Complete Miners Guide.
Father Void
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-16 20:18:42 UTC
Oh and if you don't have it get EVEMON (google search it) and learn to use it. It will help you plan your character and equip your ships in a sound/tested way.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#7 - 2012-03-16 21:26:07 UTC
The best mining cruiser is the Osprey, which can out-mine a retriever. So optimal progression up the mining ships ladder would be Bantam, Osprey, Retriever, Covetor, Hulk.

The role gets less and less interactive as you climb that ladder. Get some good books to read while you mine :)
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-16 22:06:19 UTC
Bantam for 30 minutes then quit and do something worthwhile. I suggest RvB for a new player.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2012-03-16 22:46:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Unless you are training a dedicated minng alt, train some combat skills.

I recommend training to be competent in at least a battlecruiser.

Eventually you will be in a war, and even if you manage to avoid a wardec, a battlecruiser will get you through level 3 missions with ease (you need to do missions to gain NPC corp standing to avoid refining tax, and security > distribution + mining).

This is the path I took: Bantam/Kestrel -> Osprey/Caracal -> Drake -> Retriever -> Hulk (Hulk takes like 2 more days to train than Covetor, but is a lot more expensive).

EDIT: My "dedicated mining alt" with Exhumers 5 can also pilot:

* Ferox battlecruiser (for gas harvesting)
* Charon freighter
* Bustard deep space transport
* Crane blockade runner
* Tengu
* Onyx heavy interdictor (with T2 warp disruptor generator)
* Basilisk logistics

Currently finishing Logistics 5 for the Basilisk. Just because you mine, doesn't mean you can't do anything else!
Toshiro GreyHawk
#10 - 2012-03-16 23:41:49 UTC



1) In your first few minutes in the game, go out and do mine and return, then sell the ore from your station for whatever you can get until you have 20-35k - then buy a mining frigate. Repackage your rookie ship then assemble it again. You will have an extra set of stuff for it in your items hangar. Put both guns on the rookie ship and the two miners on the mining frigate. Then look at the market and see where the best price is for Dense Veldspar - then fly over there and do mine and return with the mining frigate and sell your ore to that guy until you've got several hundred thousand ISK - then go do the training missions.

2) Do all the training missions but do the business first, mining second and combat 3rd. Note that the combat series has some really good asteroid fields in them. Complete the mission - but don't turn it in. Go back in your miner and mine into a jet can - which lasts two hours. Bookmark the jet can so you can fly back later and pick it up with the industrial you got from your earler career agents. Finish your career agent missions - then - go run Level I missions for someone and mine those missions just as you did these.

3) For solo mining - it is safest to mine in mission space as someone will have to scan you down to come get you. If you are solo mining into a jet can in an asteroid belt you can be can flipped. If you mine in a quiet system the chances of that happening are reduced. Use the map to find a quiet system.

4) An alternative to mining in mission space that has some degree of safety is using Giant Secure Containers. You can anchor these in a .7 or lower system and password them so no one else can use them. The down side is that while a jet can holds like 27000m3 a GSC holds like 3900m3 - much, much less. But it is sufficient for someone mining in a frigate or cruiser. You can place the cans 5000 meters apart - so go buy two sets of them, each set being as many as will fit in your industrial. Anchor one set then go get the other. GSC's are Planck containers - which hold 3900m3 but only take up 3000m3 worh of space - so - in order to emty the ore in a full set of GSC's you will need an equal number in your industrial (if you're not going to make more than one trip back to the station). Once you get into a mining barge - GSC's just don't hold enough to be worth while - and you'll have to go back to jet cans.

5) Most people go Mining Frigate > Mining Cruiser > Mining Barge > Exhumer.

The Bantam and the Navitas are about the same, the Tormentor has more cargo space but makes you chose between a tank and an AB. The Burst has no drone - so it's the worst.

Mining Cruisers go Osprey > Scythe > Vexxor > Arbitrator. Note the first two get mining bonuses to their miners while the last two get them to their drones. The last two are better combat ships though.

6) Note that when people make remarks about how this one smaller ship will outmine a bigger one - they mean if you have all your skills to V and do things like alternateing your mining lasers so you don't over flow you cargo hold. Several hours of alternateing your lasers and dragging ore out of your cargo hold and into the jet can every few seconds gets really old.

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Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-03-17 04:17:19 UTC
Father Void wrote:
Lijah Sai wrote:
Thanks for the help!

* When mining align you ship to an exit station/gate. Even in HiSec you never know when someone might pick a fight with you. Aligning your ship can and will save your ship.


This may be completely useless advice if "align" here refers to so-called "passive align", and not standard high sec mining practice if it actually means "align".

Passive align doesn't work. What is passive align? Some people believe that if you turn your ship to point toward the warp target by hitting "align" and then coming to a full stop, your ship will enter warp faster. This is false. When your ship is moving at 0.0m/s (i.e. standing still, and you've been in the exact same spot for 10 minutes because you're mining the way most people do), it has no velocity vector and it will take it exactly the same time to enter warp regardless of which way the graphic is pointing since the 0-magnitude vector can instantly pick a direction. The ship graphic is just there for cosmetic purposes, and you can definitely enter warp when the ship as you see it on screen hasn't finished spinning to point in the direction of warp. If you see a large mofo like a freighter warp off sideways, this is why, the velocity vector was pointing in the right direction and its magnitude was 75% of the ship's top speed, and it doesn't matter what the graphic looks like (the ship slowly turns to point the right way as it's warping... at least these days it does).

Real align does work and will help your ship escape nearly all ganks, but it's not a great way to mine and you probably won't find anyone actually doing this, at least in high sec (certainly exceptions exist...). What you'd do to actually align to safety in a way that works is arrive at your mining spot, then hit "align" to whatever (gate, station, safespot), and manually cap your speed at 75%. Now you'll be able to instantly enter warp to your target thereby making you hard to pop, but you're also drifting out of your mining lasers / strip miner range. Usually when people do mine this way, they mine until they are almost out of range or their cargo fills up, then they warp to the target, empty out and return to repeat the procedure. As you can imagine, this seriously cuts into your efficiency and it gets old pretty quickly. Obviously it's possible to mine like that, but yeah, most people don't, you'll probably not see another high sec miner doing this.

Don't be AFK, check your directional scanner often, don't trust Thrashers and Catalysts who "just want to wait here for rats to kill", don't mine in busy systems close to trade hubs, etc, and you'll probably be fine.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#12 - 2012-03-17 04:59:43 UTC
It is worth noting that the prerequisites for the Covetor have/will be changed to Barge IV.