Intergalactic Summit

Interesting, that's one of the most common arguments for a belief in God. Have you become a believer?

The Jove are long-gone. You'll recall during Sansha's capture of one of their stations a year or so back, images showed the Jove station to be a derelict. Abandoned, empty, and undefended.

Sansha knocked on their front door quite loudly, but no one was home.

Not in Amarr, no.

Another common component for a belief in God would be confirmation bias - selecting only that evidence and those explanations which can be made to fit, or indeed rely on, the presence of the deity, conspiracy and/or scenario which the individual has already chosen to believe in.

I require scientific rigour, thanks. There are other explanations for that station being abandoned, and while "They're all dead and gone" is indeed one option, another and rather simpler one would be that they simply didn't need it any longer. Or that their population has declined and they've abandoned some structure but continue to use others. Or that Sansha has something they're actually afraid of.

If I remember correctly, the Angel Cartel took over an abandoned Jovian station? There have definitely been Jove sightings since then. You can't assume extinction on the evidence of no contact for a few years, and one abandoned station. You can't assume anything.

We are talking about an extraordinarily reclusive culture here, after all. They wouldn't be reclusive if we knew what they were up to.

My apologies, Mr. Thessalonia. I intended no disrespect. Having a touch of dyslexia, "Thessalonia" slows my communication down a bit, but I will use your full name in future references if "tibs" is offensive to you. You may call me Mr. N. You could help me by granting me permission to call you Mr. T.

Anyone who joins NUVOS has more than my word. First, they do have account query access so they can see the taxed amount both in their own personal wallet and the division wallet that is assigned to their organization of choice. That's one level of transparency. The second level is from the receiving organization. Whatever organization Mr. Cresthill chose would receive monthly amount of ISK from NUVOS. All he has to do is ask, "Did you receive such and such an amount from NUVOS?" That sure is easy enough to verify. If at any point, funds were mishandled, it would be immediately seen.

You've answered the questions I asked evasively. Your corp uses taxed ISK as it sees fit. There is a contradiction in your answer. "Towards furthering..." is not knowing "exactly" where your ISK goes. You have not answered the question. That is fine so long as your goals are trusted by all your members. NUVOS simply puts that in the hands of the members. Mr. Cresthill would choose, not me.

Let me ask it again: How can a member of your corp see exactly where that 6% goes? Into whose wallet does that 6% finally end up? How can a member of your corp find out? I've answered that from my Corp perspective. Now lets hear a real answer from you, Mr. Tiberious Thessalonia.

Of course they haven't. Because they know the consequences.



They also gave the Republic its head of state.

I'm doing you a kindness for even acknowledging your existence.

You spoke ill towards Thessalonia, whom I happen to like. I do of course disagree with the eventual goals of Nation but I'm all about their methods and respect them for taking control of their own destiny to try and make that happen, cluster-wide.

I'll contrast that with people like you who spend your time dealing with the detridus of others. Worrying about a few human castaways and trying to quiz a capsuleer about where some insignificant pocket-change ends up.

Respect yourself first if you want respect from others.

One was probably not the cause of the other.

More likely, the wall was rotting from the inside previous to the kicking.

In that case, the empire should really be more embarassed about losing.

Now here is a criticism that I can respect. Thanks for getting past the accountability issue. OK. Mr. Cresthill, Mr. Thessalonia is correct. If you want security, join a big corp in a big alliance or stay in Viziam. If someone war dec'd us, we would be limited in what we could accomplish. But, of course, were that to happen I would encourage you to leave the corp for your own safety. Heck, I might even kick you out. There you have it. Give it a try or don't. Sooner or later, you are going to start paying taxes to Viziam if you stay with them.

I believe we had this discussion on The Summit once. We disagreed obviously, but I'll explain the principle behind the concept again. There are two driving motivations behind NUVOS.
1. Freeing Slaves.
2. Providing an automatic, discipline, accountable way of making donations that cosst about 1% less that your typical default corporation membership. Mr. Thessalonia, you don't value this, fine. But, maybe Mr. Cresthill would. Who knows? Philanthropic intentions can so easily evaporate, especially with capsuleers. Its just to easy to hold on to all that ISK. NUVOS's second goal addresses that. Take it or leave it. Yes, Mr. Thessalonia could do the same by starting his own corp, but would he? NUVOS provides a service that helps pilots maintain their philanthropy and we do it without making one ISK for ourselves in the process. I wonder what is so bad about that?

I still wonder why you, Mr. Thessalonia, are spending so much time and effort arguing against it. What is that is really bothering you? What's really under your skin?

My issues, Edaine, is that I dont trust your motives, and I do not see how your corporation will help more than doing nothing.

Contrary to Ms. Rhiannons accusation, I care deeply about the universe. I want to see the people in it do well. One of my first actions upon joining TS-F was to study Nation agriculture techniques, adapt it slightly for general non-Nation use, and distributed it. When these techniques are used, even without True Slave minders, they still result in an 8% increase in yield efficiency over most standard similar farming techniques. Because the method uses hydroponics, it also allows land that would have no other practical application to be used.

That was the first thing I did. It was not the last, nor will I stop doing other such things.

What I am concerned about with your corporation is that it will not result in any net positive benefit over a philanthropy minded capsuleer acting on their own, and this is the question you have so far been unable to answer. Why are you better than the control case?

NUVOS has been responsible for the liberation of over two million slaves. Ask those two million+ if they feel a "net positive benefit." Who are you to question my motives and exalt your own? This is irony, you say that you "care deeply." That, Mr. is a motive or an internal feeling that can't be judged, yet you believe that you are in a position to judge me when I claim to care. Isn't that hypocritical? You ask me why am I better... and then turn and foist your own action as better. Isn't that hypocritical? Look in the mirror before you question my motives again.