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Races. What's the point?

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Terron Kerrix
MUTED VOID
#1 - 2012-03-16 05:09:06 UTC
Its pretty simple. *You all can say what you want the fact is the same*

Whats the point in these seperate races when there are really no differences.

We can fly any ship and do any job and skill.
i thought EvE was about diversity and uniqueness in races and job application. What a farce.

*sarcastic*
Might as well just nerf all the races and make them one.
Terron Kerrix
MUTED VOID
#2 - 2012-03-16 05:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Terron Kerrix
What do you think?
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-03-16 05:25:16 UTC
Avatar aesthetics and about 12hr or so head start in training. In the old times races and the society selections made a big difference. But too many complaints that they got "balanced " into irrelevance.

Do keep this in mind when vociferously calling for nerfs in the name of balance. We might just end up with ships only differentiated by aesthetics too.
Terron Kerrix
MUTED VOID
#4 - 2012-03-16 05:53:26 UTC
Hit the nail on th head.

You are so right. EvE is losing it's spark for diversity in the long run.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#5 - 2012-03-16 05:56:40 UTC
-2/10

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#6 - 2012-03-16 06:44:35 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
-2/10


Dunno I agree with him. Can't quite remember what races are for. Unless this is another silly parabol thread about Titans...

Also the guy who said it used to mean something way back... I hope you mean waaaaaaayyy back because at least since end 04 beggining 05 there has been no difference that a few days training wont obliterate...
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-16 06:57:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
EVE's about the diversity of the sandbox and each player's part in it. The heck are you smoking? Race never had, or never should have anything to do with it (regarding what EVE should be, I realize it used to be that the races started off quite differently).

Here's a sand-box; except you can only play within these rules. For the full experience, create three alts!

Yeah, I can see how this wouldn't a problem for some people - you're implementing a change that doesn't affect some players whilst completely sucks for anyone outside of that group. Looking like a pretty significant net loss to me, for the sake of letting some people feel like beautiful unique snowflakes.

Races give us flavor and aesthetics. I think this enough. You don't need to be an RPer or anything like that to appreciate that.

Post below me has a good point too. Even if you totally re-arrange starting skills like it used to be, it's still a flavor changed that can be mitigated by training. My post was more directed any other consideration to change the races.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-03-16 07:02:59 UTC
Crellion wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
-2/10


Dunno I agree with him. Can't quite remember what races are for. Unless this is another silly parabol thread about Titans...

Also the guy who said it used to mean something way back... I hope you mean waaaaaaayyy back because at least since end 04 beggining 05 there has been no difference that a few days training wont obliterate...



True enough it was only a day or less of difference, but the skills were more settled on a starter profession then. But it was largely just for flavor even then. Point conceded. :)
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-03-16 07:10:43 UTC
It's a sandbox, you have the choice to be universal or unique. I've chosen to limit myself to Gallente ships, just because I can. I want to embrace the strenghts and overcome the weaknesses, and oh yes I think they are the sexiest ships in EVE Cool

It's cool that those who want to fly everything have the choice- it's distant future and we are demigods, why couldn't you fly all ships designed by humans?

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Avatar aesthetics and about 12hr or so head start in training. In the old times races and the society selections made a big difference. But too many complaints that they got "balanced " into irrelevance.

Do keep this in mind when vociferously calling for nerfs in the name of balance. We might just end up with ships only differentiated by aesthetics too.


Without balance, we would only see FOTM ships in space, while the rest unsubbed. Balancing allows different ships to be competitive and keeps the space scenery interesting and varied.



.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2012-03-16 09:04:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
I recall that back in the day certain bloodlines (namely the Caldari Achura) had an "advantage" attribute-wise. I believe it was something along the lines that they didn't need to use an attribute remap to optimize their training plan... so EVERYONE got themselves said "optimal" character.

Someone might want to fact check me on that though.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-16 11:14:22 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
-2/10


Too generous.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-03-16 12:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
ShahFluffers wrote:
I recall that back in the day certain bloodlines (namely the Caldari Achura) had an "advantage" attribute-wise. I believe it was something along the lines that they didn't need to use an attribute remap to optimize their training plan... so EVERYONE got themselves said "optimal" character.

Someone might want to fact check me on that though.


They had a good selection of stats, meaning they had the lowest base charisma(3). Since there are very few charisma skills in the game and they are mostly specializations, for the average character low charisma meant you trained faster overall. We didn't have neural remaps back then, so it was a great choice for anyone looking to maximize their training speed and was the least bad choice for a new player who didn't know what he wanted. We only got the remaps in apocrypha(2009) when the character creation process was revamped too.
Alara IonStorm
#13 - 2012-03-16 12:50:02 UTC
I disagree.

I chose Caldari because I like their ideals. I like their artwork, the industrial asymmetric design philosophy, their style of dress and their genetic traits.

Racial Attributes in the past made choosing a character more stats then style. I choose my character to represent who I want to be and how I want to represent myself in the game.

On top of that the idea of making differences in the races is just silly. In an age where genetic modification and complete plastic surgery is most likely as simple as going to a tattoo artist today, I see no reason a character should not be whoever they want to be.

This isn't Orcs and Humans. You are a very rich and powerful individual that Governments and Corporations want to court you because you are worth 100 other non Capsuleer Ships. Profit and results talk more then racial ideologies.

Yes Race in this game only effects aesthetics, yes you are not limited to certain roles by race and yes you are judged solely by your capabilities and your character.

Sounds like a good thing to me.
Osabojo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-03-16 13:49:06 UTC
I am so tired of getting pulled over by CONCORD.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#15 - 2012-03-16 14:48:47 UTC
I have two accounts.

Acct 1
Main: <------me
Alt 1: Amarrian
Alt 2: Caldari

Acct 2
Main: Gallente

Notice that both main characters are Gallente. I chose that race simply because of the fundamental principles of civil and economic liberties that they represent and stand for. The alts are just there for one purpose: to serve as scouts hunting down bot users.

Adapt or Die

Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-03-16 15:39:19 UTC
Yes its pretty balanced but there are other reasons. The backgrounds still add depth, drive story.

I'm not a die hard Intaki because I randomly picked, I loved the back story and history. Grow an imagination and you might notice nothing has changed.

I lied :o

Skorpynekomimi
#17 - 2012-03-16 15:52:28 UTC
I picked minmatar for fluff reasons. I only fly minmatar ships because I only really LIKE minmatar ships, and have sunk all my support skills into them.

Economic PVP

Soporo
#18 - 2012-03-16 16:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Soporo
Ought to get a (small) boost of some sort for flying your racial ships. Amarr 2% cap bonus for instance, or everyone just gets a 1% grid or cpu bonus or something. Something

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken

Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#19 - 2012-03-16 17:40:18 UTC
Soporo wrote:
Ought to get a (small) boost of some sort for flying your racial ships. Amarr 2% cap bonus for instance, or everyone just gets a 1% grid or cpu bonus or something. Something

And why is that?
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#20 - 2012-03-16 17:44:15 UTC
i always looked at it for aesthetics, ship design, and folk lore.
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