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What?? Pretty sure RPing in EVE is not remotely the equivalent performing on Broadway.

Snowflake,

I think it might be worth re-posting this thread as a [Proposal] at some point. You could work out the details here with others' constructive criticism in this thread. I don't have a strong knowledge of how standings work so you'll have to bear with any questions or ideas I talk through.

I would propose that;



This would get you your wish. If Goonswarm (Just as an example. Im sure there are more criminal alliances. Actually, possibly not) were to commit enough crimes in highsec their member's and the alliance in general would have some accountability and eventually would be seen as enemies in highsec.

Obviously people could still create "Marta" corps to avoid attention, but that's a sound political strategy even from a Rp basis.

I would argue this idea would add immersion to the game. It wouldn't really be a nerf for PvP alliances and such. It would become a lifestyle choice. It wouldn't protect highsec people, because there will always be people wanting to kill highsec players whatever the consequences. But it would mean that those corporations and alliances would have to be generally located on the fringes, in lowsec. You can still highsec gank using wardecs if you want without incurring these penalties.

It would give pirate corps a much more authentic feel. Because lets face it, plenty of pirate corps have people flying around in highsec without a care in the world (Sure, maybe not many of them.)

I think it would make for much more interesting options when joining corps. Having to choose whether you wanted to join an hardcore infamous pirate corp that can not go into gallante space, or some mild mannered alternative that tries to keep its relationships all hunky-dorry with the factions.

I really don't want to protect highsec players. If you have any alternatives to make this kind of thing work, throw up some ideas. That's kind of the point.

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm not bright enough to follow the technical aspects of standings you've described in your posts

People seem to be under the impression I've got something against Goonswarm, I really don't. The Ice interdiction was the most exiting thing to happen in my neighbourhood in years. The fact that they announced the action allowed me to protect the vulnerable people in my corp. I want to encourage interaction between small highsec corps and big nullsec alliances

they did not couch the interdiction in RP terms because quite frankly they don't have to, there is no advantage to it. but that should not stop someone from trying to interpret their action in terms of game lore

quite frankly i'm jealous. as someone has already pointed out, they are having more fun in this game than i am, and the reason is they are in no way tied to game lore and they are not stuck sat in highsec out of necessity. that's my beef. game lore should be a story telling driver not an impediment

What bothers the hell out of me is that no one can offer a satisfying response to the ice interdiction, except take some ships up to their stronghold and shoot at them

i've argued myself to a stand-still because there really is no place left to go

players can't take the part of the empires in empire space bacuase they have very little control over the environment
the GMs can't take the part of the empires without being called out for favouritism, they are few in number and have to be painstakingly careful not to upset the balance

there is something very very wrong, I can't see a solution - maybe you can.

I've never considered it in those terms before.
Maybe it is the ice mining mech that needs to be fixed.

Thank you folks for adjusting my thinking without pissing me off too much. :)
I wish you all the best in every endeavour.

Great point, but I would qualify the statement somewhat.

In the Themepark MMORPG the story beginning to end is predetermined. The tracks are laid out for the player, and although there may be different tracks to follow, you can never get off the tracks and set your own path to an unknown outcome. Also because of this the Developers are under constant pressure to lay down new tracks (content), because players aren't given the tools and freedom to create their own

The Sandbox MMORPG players are more free to create their own story and that of others, or to have their own story shaped by other players willingly or not. However, all this still happens within a framework of the game world. It's not pure imagination land where anything goes, just like the real world there's laws of physics, a backdrop of history and culture, a framework that builds up a virtual world that allows us all to interact with it and each other in a meaningful way. It's in this context that the game lore is a legitimate story driver in the Sandbox MMORPG. Albeit unlike the Themepark, it's up to the players how they deal with it

Put yet another way... the ultimate Themepark, is like a Disney Land/Six Flags that builds new rides so fast that there's always something new when you get bored of the last one, and just like Dave and Busters you get cheesy prizes at the end just for playing. The ultimate Sandbox is Star Trek's Holodeck. Which is the better venue for roleplaying?

In EVE's particular case, I've long argued that the game's areas delineated by security rating should rather be divided according to how much the players can manipulate the sand in the box. Wormholes and Sovereignty Nullsec are the purest player Sanbox parts of the game and should remain that way. Empire space (High Sec and Low Sec) and NPC Nullsec should be driven by NPC politics. That is to say in this space the game lore drives the story, or perhaps better put, the game lore drives the players to create the story

Popular because it gives casual gamers that have limited time for fleet fights to undock and get a fight there and then without the 3 hour form up and 2 hour roam 35 jumps away.

So essentially:



Simply solution: dont roleplay. You know, like 99% of Eve players.

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