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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3601 - 2012-03-14 18:26:54 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
This game is INTENDED TO BE FULL SCI-FI SIMULATOR BEFORE IT WAS EVEN MADE.


That's fantastic. Now tell me what microtransactions and dress up dolls have to do with sci-fi.




microtransactions? nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dress up dolls ??? you love Ken so tell me!!!

R.S.I2014

The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3602 - 2012-03-14 18:31:46 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
This game is INTENDED TO BE FULL SCI-FI SIMULATOR BEFORE IT WAS EVEN MADE.


That's fantastic. Now tell me what microtransactions and dress up dolls have to do with sci-fi.

In the EVE universe players can simulate buying useless things and then experience not looking good enough. As modelled on our real world. This simulation is so realistic you can use real money in the transaction for added immersion.
Vetrox Satria
Star Nation
Goonswarm Federation
#3603 - 2012-03-14 18:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vetrox Satria
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Vetrox Satria wrote:
If your worried that WIS developement is taking valuable man hours away from FIXING the rest of the game then my counter argument is that 7 Years of PVP developement have taken man hours away from my WIS development...

You still got a bajillion people working on other aspects of the game. So it a few guys designing something to add to the game is all gravy imo



i was gonna like this one ,but EvE isn,t all about pvp .
Something some people sometimes forget.




but bc you made me laugh a little ,still a +1


The reason i made the point (although i shouldnt have really) is that there is (IMO) two types of people who play eve. The PVP nullsec guys and the PVE high sec people (me).

THE PVP nulls dont like development that isnt pvp orientated and the PVE high secs dont like development that is PVP related.

The inherent nature that pvp causes in any game means that there will never be "balance" which is what all the pvp players want from a developer. This means every patch or update that doesnt involve pvp balance is critisized by the PVP community (including wis) and things that are all about ship balance are all complained about by the PVE community.

Look at wow as a generalised example. When i played that there was always a patch that changed the pay pvp worked and there was always a party that wasnt happy the classic "ZOMG mages are nerfed why not nerf pallys" then they nerf pallys "Zomg pallies are nerfed and hunters are op" so on and so forth.

Lets face it. With a game as broad as eve with such a high player base all on the same shard. There is never going to be complete satisfaction from everyone. Except the few that are just happy about any addition that lets us know the developers are still bothered about their game (ME) I got nothing against wis. I got nothing against new pvp ships or renamed modules or whatever. It breakes up the motonony of the game with something new
Vetrox Satria
Star Nation
Goonswarm Federation
#3604 - 2012-03-14 18:41:02 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

but bc you made me laugh a little ,still a +1


its because i said a "bajillion" isnt it...people always have a giggle when i say that.


oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3605 - 2012-03-14 19:50:14 UTC
Vetrox Satria wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

but bc you made me laugh a little ,still a +1


its because i said a "bajillion" isnt it...people always have a giggle when i say that.





No i laughed about this :

Quote:
If your worried that WIS developement is taking valuable man hours away from FIXING the rest of the game then my counter argument is that 7 Years of PVP developement have taken man hours away from my WIS development..


its actually true and of course visa versa

but you made a next post wich covers that already

R.S.I2014

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3606 - 2012-03-14 19:54:33 UTC
The Hamilton wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
This game is INTENDED TO BE FULL SCI-FI SIMULATOR BEFORE IT WAS EVEN MADE.


That's fantastic. Now tell me what microtransactions and dress up dolls have to do with sci-fi.

In the EVE universe players can simulate buying useless things and then experience not looking good enough. As modelled on our real world. This simulation is so realistic you can use real money in the transaction for added immersion.



wow nice one , lets not hope they introduce shipskinnes and put it on the failNEX

R.S.I2014

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#3607 - 2012-03-15 08:57:50 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Arcathra, i don't fear social gaming, I hate it, I /spit on it, like carebears hate ganking and want to be invulnerable in hisec. I feel that it deserves zero resources dedicated to it.
However, i will not deny that i do my bit of social gaming, but it happens organically in fleets where we are doing something else (oh how we laughed) and shared moments. Social gaming does not need special crutches dedicated to enable it, it is already happening.
My point about EVE-wis devoid of player created items is devoid of the sandbox feature, which is second life's only saving grace.

Fair enough, Taiwanistan. You don't like it. Seems I can't argue with you about that. We have different views of social gaming here. But the thing I really would like to know is why you hate it? I mean, it is a game in the end. Why do you have so strong feelings about that? What would be so bad about some people running around on a station, talking with each other in the same "organic" way people socialize today in fleets and their corporations?
Is it just the fact that some resources are pushed back from other projects? Or is there something else going on?

The problem isn't that we have different views, the problem is that we mostly don't respect the views of other players. I try to do that (and yes, that is sometimes hard I have to admit), but I think there is no need for such hate or even insults I see here. To be honest, that seems to be the problem with the whole forum and community.
It's just a game, nothing more. In the end, CCP will decide what will happen. No reason to fight each other as if our lives depend on it.


Ladie Harlot wrote:
That's fantastic. Now tell me what microtransactions and dress up dolls have to do with sci-fi.

Micratransactions have nothing to do with a specific theme. I don't want to see them either in EvE. But let's face it: one day they will be inevitable. The online game payment models are changing, more and more microtransaction and f2p games are emerging and most older games already converted to the microtransaction model. I totaly understand why CCP tried to catch up with todays market. But their timing and the execution of their "micro"transaction model was awful. I don't say that I like it, but you can rage, troll and shoot at monuments how much you want, the day of microtransactions and a f2p model for EvE will come some day. Mark my words.
But that matter is seperated from the general discussion about WiS. As I can see, most people don't want a microtransaction model with WiS. I for myself certainly don't want it.

Dress up dolls on the other hands have much to do with sci-fi. You know, even in the future most people prefer to wear clothes. And even more prefer to look good and make an impression. Looking at your avatar you seem to be a fan of the unkempt and unwashed nerdy look, but that isn't our fault Lol. I want to have some stylish clothes because it's important to me how my character looks and is perceived by other players. (And to be serious, it clearly seems to be important to you too or you wouldn't have made such an... unique avatar.)


But granted, the statement that CCP planned a full sci-fi simulator in the first place isn't true as far as I know. As I startet to play EvE back in 2006 the topic emerged again and again in the forums and people were asking for ambulation (how they called it back then) many times. And CCP said for a long time that it will never happen. If I remeber correctly that changed with the Fanfest in 2008 were they showed the first demo of what they developed at that point. I also can't remeber that they talked about a "full sci-fi simulator" at that time, just about a bunch of ideas what they wanted to integrate with ambulation.
The sci-fi simulator thing is a more recent comment. Don't get me wrong, I very much like the idea of that and I fully support that vision. But it is wrong that this was the plan since they startet to develop the game. Maybe it was, but got discarded early on because of multiple reasons.
If they really stated that back then, I would like to know when they said that. Of course I could be totaly wrong on that but that is how I remember it.
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3608 - 2012-03-15 11:05:45 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
His point has pretty much been the point of every person in this thread that want's to see the fulfillment of WiS. It is the few that are afraid of change that don't understand what WiS really means to EvE and CCP. WiS, more content and new content, not just reiteration of the same space content is what is going to keep EvE going. It is not the elite, hardcore PvP players that keep EvE going. It is the Highsec dwelling, casual players that do. This is evident by the numbers alone of who is playing where. 80% of the populace is in Highsec last I checked.

Some people seem to think that what they want is what everybody wants. This is not the case. I have said this before...I have supported and even proposed ideas in the past that I don't necessarily want to see happen but because I realize that they may be what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole, I support them. I honestly don't want to see Microtransactions of any kind in EvE. This includes PLEX. But I realize that they are a necessary evil for the survival of both CCP and EvE. So I support them to an extent.

WiS is a good thing for EvE. Anything that broadens the gameplay and creates more avenues for other players to join is a good thing. Regardless of what a player is doing in the game, it is income for CCP which means more devs, which means more stuff for FiS and WiS, which means better content and more frequent content and a longer life for EvE.


But i can't understand that some ppl just cant (or dont want to) understand it, can't see the obvious.
It looks like some ppl want to see EVE dead.


At one time that was the stated goals of the Goons in Eve.

Issler Dainze
CSM 7 Candidate


I thought that were only rumors. What?
And i don't research on every rumor.

But now i googled a little and... God help us all.

Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3609 - 2012-03-15 16:33:24 UTC
What does barbie have to do with GI Joe?

Hard core fans will deny difference with GI Joe.

Outsiders of the concept would only see they are only lieing to themselves.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#3610 - 2012-03-15 17:54:57 UTC
I love how it took over a year to make 1 CQ and program all the code for it, when full blown FPS and free roam games are made in around 18-24 month.

Just poor.

All people who say abandon WiS and stop working on it...they already have.

They went from WiS, to fixing some ships, to adding "performance" patches, then to "balancing" titans and now they are renaming everything for no reason.

In case no one has actually realized, they have no clue wtf they are doing lol.

Either stick with something and see it through or dont do it at all.
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3611 - 2012-03-15 19:23:04 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
I love how it took over a year to make 1 CQ and program all the code for it, when full blown FPS and free roam games are made in around 18-24 month.

Just poor.

All people who say abandon WiS and stop working on it...they already have.

They went from WiS, to fixing some ships, to adding "performance" patches, then to "balancing" titans and now they are renaming everything for no reason.

In case no one has actually realized, they have no clue wtf they are doing lol.

Either stick with something and see it through or dont do it at all.


I just hope that they realize that and that they get back to WiS and secure EVEs future.

Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470 

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3612 - 2012-03-16 07:49:25 UTC
Folks,

Only a few more days to vote in the CSM elections. If you want someone in the CSM that will remind CCP we need some attention on ambulation going forward please consider supporting my campaign!

Issler Dainze
CSM 7 Candidate
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#3613 - 2012-03-16 08:18:20 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Folks,

Only a few more days to vote in the CSM elections. If you want someone in the CSM that will remind CCP we need some attention on ambulation going forward please consider supporting my campaign!

Issler Dainze
CSM 7 Candidate


So remember votes, a vote for Issler is a vote for Space Barbies.

...

Yeah, thats what I thought. Ill save you the time, just click here instead.
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3614 - 2012-03-16 09:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Elanor Vega
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Folks,

Only a few more days to vote in the CSM elections. If you want someone in the CSM that will remind CCP we need some attention on ambulation going forward please consider supporting my campaign!

Issler Dainze
CSM 7 Candidate


So remember votes, a vote for Issler is a vote for Space Barbies.

...

Yeah, thats what I thought. Ill save you the time, just click here instead.


And listening to you is listening to "i want EVE dead".
Listening to you is to support this:

Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
thecunning mrfox wrote:
You get ganked, you rage, you "I quit!" because you have the right to kill the guy who robbed you of your precious hulk, but lack the volition/skills/stones to exact revenge.

with a high sec transferable kill rights system you sort out the bounties system introducing a real bounty hunter role, bring PvP to high sec in a very real form and give miners an avenue for making miner ganking a less than simple mechanics calculation. (read as real hidden risk for the ganker, do I really want to hit this guy? sounds exciting doesn't it?)

Honestly, after seeing this suggestion in another thread and thinking about it I can't see how anyone would have a problem with it.

Is there some way of exploiting this that I'm missing?

TL;DR
high sec ganks transferable kill rights system, what's wrong with this picture? teach me.


It encourages crap miners to keep playing, as they can always pay an actual player to take revenge. Id rather all the miners crap enough to get caught and ganked quit, thus improving the playerbase. Like natural selection.


We see who care for EVE and who wants EVE dead.

Who told that they want EVE dead?
Oh... i remember.
Go lick goons ass - Goon forum alt.
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#3615 - 2012-03-16 09:51:06 UTC
Elanor Vega wrote:
some crap


Ganking has existed in Eve since day one, almost a decade of ganking. I really dont think ganking is killing Eve, do you?

Also, the fact that you are stalking a non-goon forum alt is worrying.... very worrying.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#3616 - 2012-03-16 12:29:17 UTC
Also most CSM members are complete jokes that dont even stand for the eve community but simply for themself.

I refuse to vote in rl so i dont in game.
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3617 - 2012-03-16 13:49:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Elanor Vega
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Elanor Vega wrote:
some crap


Ganking has existed in Eve since day one, almost a decade of ganking. I really dont think ganking is killing Eve, do you?

Also, the fact that you are stalking a non-goon forum alt is worrying.... very worrying.



I am not talking about ganking.
I am talking about wanting that EVE loose players.
That only person who wants EVE dead wants.
And that person who wants to see EVE dead is against WiS - what a surprise. Roll

Goon or not a goon, you want the same, dead EVE.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3618 - 2012-03-16 14:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Elanor Vega wrote:



I am not talking about ganking
I am talking about wanting that EVE loose players
That only person who wants EVE dead wants
And that person who wants to see EVE dead is against WiS - what a surprise. [:roll:

Goon or not a goon, you want the same, dead EVE.



That's a huge straw man argument. Why do you have to be so melodramatic?

Arguing that EVE will die without WIS, or that people who don't want WIS also want EVE dead is a completely un-defendable position.

The sky is not going to fall if CCP can't deliver on WIS anytime soon, and EVE does not appear to be losing any existing players just because it does not have WIS now, well, other than a few here who keep threatening to quit but are still posting.

I would think throwing a lot of Dev resources and cash at WIS again (like CCP did before) before having a formal, executable plan that involves meaningful, engaging, gameplay would be more likely to threaten the health of EVE. CCP delivering another incomplete expansion like "Incarna" where customer expectations were not even close to what CCP could accomplish would be a threat to the health of EVE.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3619 - 2012-03-16 15:05:46 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Also most CSM members are complete jokes that dont even stand for the eve community but simply for themself.

I refuse to vote in rl so i dont in game.


I'm picturing you crying that into your cheap house draft in some dive because you ran out of food stamps and your welfare cheque is late. At least they have free wi-fi.

Mr Epeen Cool
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3620 - 2012-03-16 16:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Hmmm still some people are butthurt about a small 5 men team on WIS

ridiculous ,resources are still used for some vampiregame (60 people) and some consolecrap(yes i know another socalled department,but if you think that it cost no resources from Iceland)

The fact is that nothing really changed since the so called summerwhining ,other then the fact that WIS has a very small team and FIS gets the love it needs (at least until now and i am happy about it)

funny and sad at the same time

R.S.I2014