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Demand for logi pilots in Incursion
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Deanne Sheriff
Virtue Investments
#1 - 2012-03-12 21:38:54 UTC
I wanted to get into Incursion and can fly a properly fit Basi . But I'm wondering how much demend there is for Basi pilots relative to;

a) other Logi pilots
b) general fleet composition

Given that it's easier to train for logi than it is for a, say pirate battleship or t3, I wonder if there is a demand for logistics pilots? And how healthy is the demand? Or is the incursions flooded with too many logis as is?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-03-12 21:43:04 UTC
Deanne Sheriff wrote:
I wanted to get into Incursion and can fly a properly fit Basi . But I'm wondering how much demend there is for Basi pilots relative to;

a) other Logi pilots
b) general fleet composition

Given that it's easier to train for logi than it is for a, say pirate battleship or t3, I wonder if there is a demand for logistics pilots? And how healthy is the demand? Or is the incursions flooded with too many logis as is?



I have no idea on the shield fleets. And I haven't flown any incurions yet. But i have been watching the armor channel for about 2 weeks. I am actually surprised at how many logi are in demand. During some times they are completely begging for logi. There always seems to be plenty of DPS looking for fleets.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2012-03-12 21:50:56 UTC
Well, Logi might be easier to train for, but most people are trained for DPS for missions and few people in bother training Logi unless they have someone that they fly with regularly. So I'd think that Logis would be in fairly high demand. And Basis are the most common Logi you see advertising, but they're also the most in demand, so I think that would pretty evenly balance out ... ish.

tl;dr: Just fly whatever you feel like flying, there is demand for both Logis (of all types) and DPS, so whatever you fly best will be your best bet for getting in a fleet.
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-12 22:03:10 UTC
Deanne Sheriff wrote:
I wanted to get into Incursion and can fly a properly fit Basi . But I'm wondering how much demend there is for Basi pilots relative to;

a) other Logi pilots
b) general fleet composition

Given that it's easier to train for logi than it is for a, say pirate battleship or t3, I wonder if there is a demand for logistics pilots? And how healthy is the demand? Or is the incursions flooded with too many logis as is?


Hey there, When it comes to shield fleet, General fleet composition is down to the fleet commander, Being able to fly a Logi Lvl 5 is good also, This enables you too use a 5/1 fitting, Which a lot of Elite community's use, For instance ISN - Incursion Shiny Network use only logi lvl 5 pilots due to the extra rep, This enables us to use 2 logi instead of three which is more effective.

Like i said, Try to get into the rite community and you will make a ton of isk, Stick with being a logi you dont waste tons of isk on Faction ammo :P

Hope that helped, Feel free to mail me for more info etc.

Regards

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-03-13 00:24:18 UTC
It's been a little while since I've actually flown incursions but, IIRC, the single most in-demand ship is the well-skilled basilisk. That'll be logi 5 and able to run T2 modules throughout and with support skills that allow 5/1 and 4/2 fittings.

I think it was only once that i saw basi pilots being unable to get into decent fleets, while it's pretty common to see a bundle of decent DPS guys trying for ages.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Alexis Coloun
Mopponian PST Navy
#6 - 2012-03-13 09:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexis Coloun
As far as I saw in Incursions, they mostly fly with the 4/2 setup.
In Vanguard Sites 3 Basis (+1 Hugginn, +6 DPS) (It's also possible to fly with 2 Logis, but the you should really have a Bonus-Tengu +2 DPS more)
in Assaults 5 (+1 Hugginn, +14 DPS) and in HQ 10 (+1 Hugginn, +29 DPS), at least.
The logi Skill should be on IV, on V it's better, so you can give one of your Energy Transferes to a Nightmare for one or two circles or help the anchor directly after entering the pocket.

Maybe this site will help you with some fittings:
http://incursions.nexsoft.de/?mode=logistic
Teroh Vizjereij
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-03-13 11:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Teroh Vizjereij
I can only speak for Shield fleets here ( running AS/HQ activly since almost a year), but Logi's are and will ever be in high demand. Never seen a logi sitting in "BTL Pub" or "The Valhalla Project" for more then a few mins without getting a fleet invite.

One thing you need to notice though .. its not just sitting the a Basi. You need at least logistic's IV and good capacitor skills for the cap transfers and the cap recharging on your own ship.

As for fits, like the guy below me said .. look around http://incursions.nexsoft.de/?mode=logistic for propper fits.

In AS/HQ's Basilisks are usually prefered since we face lot of jamming and neuting .. and capchained basi's perform better then scimi's here.

Another big point is .. noone will recruit Logistic pilots from incursion local. Go to the ingamechannels "BTL Pub" or "The Valhalla Project" for moderated shield incursion fleets with propper bannlists and newsletters.
Ernesto Che Guevara
Defence Pack
#8 - 2012-03-13 15:35:48 UTC
one other (big as I think) plus from Basis (and Guardians) is, that you can "draw" cool pictures in space with your cap transferes running^^
Vito Antonio
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-03-13 16:50:10 UTC
You should be grateful that group pve content in eve doesnt require dedicated tank ship to hold all aggro Big smile
Deanne Sheriff
Virtue Investments
#10 - 2012-03-13 17:16:28 UTC
What are the differences b/w BTL Pub, The Valhalla Project and whatever else is out there? I'm currently only in BTL Pub
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#11 - 2012-03-13 18:11:52 UTC
Deanne Sheriff wrote:
What are the differences b/w BTL Pub, The Valhalla Project and whatever else is out there? I'm currently only in BTL Pub


TVP > CID > BTL Pub > Incursion Chan

The only reason I put TVP above CID is Kalshara. Pretty sure Kranny is also CID. These two female players/FCs multiply the drama present in CID fleets by an exponential factor and make me choose TVP anytime the choice is available. It's ironic that the epeen waving by the females far surpasses anything I've seen from male FCs. On the other hand there are some fantastic FCs in CID, but when you start hearing the girls joining fleet on comms it's time to start planning your exit because they'll be taking over FC shortly.

I should mention that I have known several amazing female FCs, especially on the PVP side, so this isn't a sexist thing. But the fact is the only two female voices I've come across in incursions are in CID and they're both drama queens.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#12 - 2012-03-13 18:35:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
Princess Bride wrote:
Deanne Sheriff wrote:
What are the differences b/w BTL Pub, The Valhalla Project and whatever else is out there? I'm currently only in BTL Pub


TVP > CID > BTL Pub > Incursion Chan



Maybe you should get your facts straight first Blink.

BTL Pub is the single largest shield incursion channel. It is used for all incursion sites and a general platform from which you can build your own fleets, advertise yourself or discuss incursion related material.
Here you will find both vanguards, assaults, headquarters and mom fleets.

TVP and CID are more specialized and are branched off BTL. They focus on assaults and headquarter sites, but the FC's there do look in BTL pub as well for pilots when they require it.

The only reason to why I point this out is because you can't compare these channels with each other in such a manner. It's like oranges and apples.

PS: To the OP, it differs from one hour to another hour, but overall yes there will always be a need of basis.
Sometime there are 5 logis x'ing up for fleets. Sometimes 3 fleets are all looking for multiple logis.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#13 - 2012-03-13 18:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Maybe I like apples better than oranges because when I eat apples I'm less likely to die.

Or, it's just my opinion. However, my ranking was more in order of exclusivity, and it seems that the more exclusive the pool the less chance that it's been infiltrated by one or more people whose intent is to get everyone killed. But hey, if avoiding griefers isn't a priority...

CID and TVP will pick up pilots from BTL Pub only when there's no one else available in CID or TVP (CID will pick from TVP before BTL. TVP will pick from CID chan before BTL). Reason? Stated above.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
LifeHatesMe
LifeHatesUsAll
#14 - 2012-03-13 20:05:00 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
It's been a little while since I've actually flown incursions but, IIRC, the single most in-demand ship is the well-skilled basilisk. That'll be logi 5 and able to run T2 modules throughout and with support skills that allow 5/1 and 4/2 fittings.

I think it was only once that i saw basi pilots being unable to get into decent fleets, while it's pretty common to see a bundle of decent DPS guys trying for ages.

Give me the fit please? Thanks!
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#15 - 2012-03-14 02:46:31 UTC
I would train into a Basilisk if you plan on maxing your LOGI skills to their very limits, these are the logi demanded in blitz fleets, this is if you plan to spend ALLOT of time doing incursions and dont mind, up to 1 year in training to get those skills right.

If you are not new to incursions and wanted to get into Logistics, you darn know that there are so many incursions one can do before burining out and giving up, in that case go for the Scimi because its more versatile and cap stable.
Dhar'aul
Timberton Holdings
#16 - 2012-03-15 09:18:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Dhar'aul
So you want to be a logi
Congratulations, you just signed on for the most demanding role below FC

While logi-ing is not a difficult task at all, bit that escapes most people is that it requires near constant 100% attention, all the time. Failing to respond to a shield broadcast by 4-5 seconds may mean that that DPS ship is now a triangle near a pod \o/ .
Failing to notice you are being shot while responding to several other shield broadcast ... and broadcasting for your own shield when your shield alarm rings at 25% means your logi is almost dead now \o/ (hope you got a fast transport back to jita to reship)

Now you must decide what type of incursion logi you are
1. the good logi, that easily gets into specialized channels and is in near constant demand
2. the (wow nice pix) not so high perfo(w8 mom, I'm on the phone)rmance one that rubs several FC's (lol, youtube) the (brb toilet) wrong way and almost never (WAT? i was speaking in corp chat) gets invited (I was walking the dog) to fleets or ends up (haha, lolcats) loosing his ship, repeatedly

Basis vs scimis - personally I went w/ scimi cuz I'm minmatar trained. Altho I must say being part of the cap chain and having a energy x-fer to give to the fleet is appealing at times. On may occasions I had to swap to a dps ship due to too many logis and not enuf dps x-ing up. On just as many occasions I had to swap back and put dps ship away to get my logi (it helps having a dedicated freighter alt to haul your ships between incursions).

As for who is preferred ... If the logi squad already has 'enuf' basis, scimis are preferred since they don't require cap chain adjusting. If there are not enough LEVEL 5 LOGI basis, then L5 basis are preferred over scimis. Overall both get about the same number of fleet invites, with basi 5 maybe in a /bit/ higher demnd overall, but not much.



In regards to CID/TVP/BTL pub/Incursion local

Incursion local: ignored 100%. All good incursioners and FC's have this minimized + blink off
BTL pub: usually seen as a step above incursion local
TVP: seen as a step above BTL pub. Tends to be a good place to grab DPS from
CID: some see it =TVP, some > TVP. In recent times there are few to zero fleets flying under "CID" banner. However I'd say ppl X-ing up in CID are taking precedence over TVP. Not that it matters much since they frequently x-up in both places :P


Logi recruiting is a bit more 'special', since logis can make or break a fleet.

* FC's will 100% grab logis out of CID. For a logi to be there it usually means he/she has flown in many fleets and is known to be a good logi.
* FC's will then grab logis out of TVP. Most known logis that x-up in TVP are 100% grabbed. The 'new faces' have a high % of getting into fleets also, but only if there are still logi spots left (thus it helps to have a dps ship and x-up as dps also).
* Last resort "have waited 20 minutes and I am bored" need some person logi-ing then gets pulled from BTL-Pub.

In my experience logis pulled from CID have never failed, TVP logis are mostly solid, BTL-Pub logis were hit-and-miss, mostly miss. Incursion local ? that thing is minimized...

As a side note, more than a few occasions ppl who used to frequent vg's were amazed at the logi teams from HQ's. This shows how things are out there logi wise...
Deanne Sheriff
Virtue Investments
#17 - 2012-03-15 16:58:35 UTC
Very informative. Thank you. Besides BTL, can you spell out the channel names though. I'm not familiar with the other channels.

Is it assumed that these fleets use Eve Voice or require a 3rd party communications platform like Vent/Mumble/TS3 ?

Dhar'aul wrote:
So you want to be a logi
Congratulations, you just signed on for the most demanding role below FC

While logi-ing is not a difficult task at all, bit that escapes most people is that it requires near constant 100% attention, all the time. Failing to respond to a shield broadcast by 4-5 seconds may mean that that DPS ship is now a triangle near a pod \o/ .
Failing to notice you are being shot while responding to several other shield broadcast ... and broadcasting for your own shield when your shield alarm rings at 25% means your logi is almost dead now \o/ (hope you got a fast transport back to jita to reship)

Now you must decide what type of incursion logi you are
1. the good logi, that easily gets into specialized channels and is in near constant demand
2. the (wow nice pix) not so high perfo(w8 mom, I'm on the phone)rmance one that rubs several FC's (lol, youtube) the (brb toilet) wrong way and almost never (WAT? i was speaking in corp chat) gets invited (I was walking the dog) to fleets or ends up (haha, lolcats) loosing his ship, repeatedly

Basis vs scimis - personally I went w/ scimi cuz I'm minmatar trained. Altho I must say being part of the cap chain and having a energy x-fer to give to the fleet is appealing at times. On may occasions I had to swap to a dps ship due to too many logis and not enuf dps x-ing up. On just as many occasions I had to swap back and put dps ship away to get my logi (it helps having a dedicated freighter alt to haul your ships between incursions).

As for who is preferred ... If the logi squad already has 'enuf' basis, scimis are preferred since they don't require cap chain adjusting. If there are not enough LEVEL 5 LOGI basis, then L5 basis are preferred over scimis. Overall both get about the same number of fleet invites, with basi 5 maybe in a /bit/ higher demnd overall, but not much.



In regards to CID/TVP/BTL pub/Incursion local

Incursion local: ignored 100%. All good incursioners and FC's have this minimized + blink off
BTL pub: usually seen as a step above incursion local
TVP: seen as a step above BTL pub. Tends to be a good place to grab DPS from
CID: some see it =TVP, some > TVP. In recent times there are few to zero fleets flying under "CID" banner. However I'd say ppl X-ing up in CID are taking precedence over TVP. Not that it matters much since they frequently x-up in both places :P


Logi recruiting is a bit more 'special', since logis can make or break a fleet.

* FC's will 100% grab logis out of CID. For a logi to be there it usually means he/she has flown in many fleets and is known to be a good logi.
* FC's will then grab logis out of TVP. Most known logis that x-up in TVP are 100% grabbed. The 'new faces' have a high % of getting into fleets also, but only if there are still logi spots left (thus it helps to have a dps ship and x-up as dps also).
* Last resort "have waited 20 minutes and I am bored" need some person logi-ing then gets pulled from BTL-Pub.

In my experience logis pulled from CID have never failed, TVP logis are mostly solid, BTL-Pub logis were hit-and-miss, mostly miss. Incursion local ? that thing is minimized...

As a side note, more than a few occasions ppl who used to frequent vg's were amazed at the logi teams from HQ's. This shows how things are out there logi wise...
Dhar'aul
Timberton Holdings
#18 - 2012-03-15 18:29:05 UTC
tvp= the valhalla project
coms: ts3

gl
Purehydro
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-03-16 08:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Purehydro
Dhaur'al is pretty spot on, but I'm going to quibble over a few items

FCing can be way harder than being Logi, If you can logi and FC with tagging, then you are some sort of multi-tasking god.

Logi V makes all the difference in the world unless you suck. I've FC'd, basi Logi and Guardian Logi on my other account. If you have Logi V and a clue, then nothing really bothers you, especially in shiny fleets where everything is literally blown apart before the first person hits 80% shields. It only gets really interesting when running 2 logi or blitzing an OTA when the 3rd one goes offline. In the NCO shiny legion fleets I have been in, I don't even think the logi had to rep anyone past the anchor if even that.

Get to know the regulars and work your contacts, it's more about who you know and how well you fit in a fleet than how good you are up to a point. Even with Logi V, people may not want you in a fleet if they can't stand you. Learn who the FC's are and the up and coming FC's. No one really likes to FC unless it's with a crew they know who they don't have to hold their hands. Popular FC's have a fleet ready as soon as they log on, people will be convoing you before you have even decided what you are going to do that night. It's so pleasant when everything just sort of sorts itself out. *

The level of play from the regulars is quite nice. A lot of BS's fit an energy transfer for possible Logi DC's.

Bring a load of ore for NMC's, it's just a good thing to do. T2 rigs are a good buy with all your extra ISK. Anything to make your ship look pro without inviting a nasty gank for your mods.

The 100% attention is the watch list along with multi-tasking 3 so you can lock 10 targets. You start throwing reps on guys as they get yellow/red boxed on your watch list. It only gets interesting in Assault fleets and up or the guy who decides that he needs one less LSE than necessary and goes to 50% shields after his first incoming barrage. With a Guardian, it's even easier than a Basilisk.

I'm not sure about the specialized channels. I used Ammzi's website on Incursions to get my start. I haven't ran incursions for 1-2 months now.

*NCO everyone follows the kill order Niarja, schmael, tama, eystur
OTA Deltole, Deltole, Deltole
NMC Kill the closest Romi first
The you get to the point where you don't even have to tag as FC and can focus more on keeping everyone on track and the fleet going.

Edit:
To answer your original inquiry: Demand fluctuates for Logi, sometimes there are too many and other times there aren't enough. Get known and you will have less of a problem with getting picked up.
MrWacko
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-16 11:12:13 UTC  |  Edited by: MrWacko
Channel names:
BTL Pub - Overarching shield incursion community. 99.99% of all other shield incursion channels operate as a subset of BTL.
The Valhalla Project - Assault/HQ Shield Incursion channel.
Classis Invictus Disciplina - Another Assault/HQ Channel. Approximately half as large as TVP, based on numbers in the channels.

There are other channels for VG blitzing, but I FC HQ's and stuff, so I don't really know those channels. Besides, Tengu's (my preferred ship) aren't particularly popular in VG blitzing.

As far as logi piloting goes, you'll get into fleets very quickly. I really don't see much need to elaborate beyond what everyone else has said, as it's all correct. Well, I suppose I can emphasize you should listen to the FC and LC (if in an HQ/AS fleet), and make sure you speak up if you have questions.
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