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EVE Titan Nerfing
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Antar Logan
Tr0pa de elite.
#1 - 2012-03-16 00:00:29 UTC
I don't agree that a Titan should be absolutely useless against subcaps... It should be fitted for tank against caps or sebo's against subcaps... that was the idea for all the people that vested months of their time to build one.

My main issue is the cost to make the titan. While completely nerfing it more than 3 times now, the cost to build it stays the same. If it is to be utterly useless please make it so it is easier to be obtained. Let us use them and lose them, Let their value be about 30b in minerals unlike the 40b that it is now with skyrocketing mineral prices.

If you already made the doomsday worse, less shield and armor hp and now scan res to crap along with 3 max lock targets.. the 6000+ cap parts should be about 4500 ... or we will all own one expensive Portable Jump Bridge instead of a Titan.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-03-16 00:05:30 UTC
*sigh* did you really have to make another thread about the titan nerf? There are already like a dozen threads, probably more, that were made in the last couple days about it.

And CCP has said repeatedly that they never wanted Titans to be this prolific or used against subcaps like they are. CCP is fixing things they messed up earlier, people need to stop feeling like they deserve to have solopwnmobiles.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-16 00:22:39 UTC
Antar Logan wrote:
... or we will all own one expensive Portable Jump Bridge instead of a Titan.


Which is what Titans are meant to be chap.

They're meant to be alliance level assests to support mass warfare, not to actually wage it.

CCP in their shortsightedness (really short) put them into the game when they hadn't actually:

1) Figured out their true role (along with MOM/Super Carriers)

2) Understood that really, time and isk isn't a limiting factor to proliferation

3) Realised that just because they said the game was going to have them in the boxed manual and advertsing blub, that they didn't actually have to come out and make them player owned items.


Also, might want to hold your tears for when CCP devise a new role, which they've said they're doing as they're really unhappy with them currently :D

(Also: I'll bite etc....)
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-16 00:24:35 UTC
CCP need to limit the number of titans that can be built at any one time in some way, preferably to double/low tripple digits.
Then they can be as op as you clearly want them to be.

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M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#5 - 2012-03-16 00:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Titans were meant to be fleet SUPPORT, with their doomsdays, jump bridges, and fleet bonuses (primarily the Erebus's and the Leviathan's), NOT the subcap slaughtering behemoths they are now.

Honestly, if they just removed the secondary weapons (guns & missiles) and gave them some other specialty role people would whine about them but it would end the tracking titan once and for all, not just reduce its ability.

I also still think that 5mm scan res is a LITTLE extreame... even the Primae has 10mm



Also, CCP needs to decide what they are going to do with the titan while theres still *about* 1000 titans in the game, before their numbers really explode and the raging mob grows.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-16 01:27:01 UTC
Antar Logan wrote:
I don't agree that a Titan should be absolutely useless against subcaps... It should be fitted for tank against caps or sebo's against subcaps... that was the idea for all the people that vested months of their time to build one.

My main issue is the cost to make the titan. While completely nerfing it more than 3 times now, the cost to build it stays the same. If it is to be utterly useless please make it so it is easier to be obtained. Let us use them and lose them, Let their value be about 30b in minerals unlike the 40b that it is now with skyrocketing mineral prices.

If you already made the doomsday worse, less shield and armor hp and now scan res to crap along with 3 max lock targets.. the 6000+ cap parts should be about 4500 ... or we will all own one expensive Portable Jump Bridge instead of a Titan.




Are you a Raiden. spy? Just wondered as one of their neutral alts said virtually the same thing in the main thread.

This has been done to death. No, you are not going to get a 'solopwnmobile' because CCP said so. Let that be an end to it, please, for the love of God, let that be an end to it.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-16 01:59:34 UTC
If only we had a stickied thread for Titan nerf discussion.
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-16 06:56:41 UTC
Antar Logan wrote:
I don't agree that a Titan should be absolutely useless against subcaps... It should be fitted for tank against caps or sebo's against subcaps... that was the idea for all the people that vested months of their time to build one.

My main issue is the cost to make the titan. While completely nerfing it more than 3 times now, the cost to build it stays the same. If it is to be utterly useless please make it so it is easier to be obtained. Let us use them and lose them, Let their value be about 30b in minerals unlike the 40b that it is now with skyrocketing mineral prices.

If you already made the doomsday worse, less shield and armor hp and now scan res to crap along with 3 max lock targets.. the 6000+ cap parts should be about 4500 ... or we will all own one expensive Portable Jump Bridge instead of a Titan.



I'm thinking of fitting 5 Cormack sensor boosters on my Drake, as well as officer mods in low, and challenging your Titan to honourable 1 vs 1 fight.

I am expecting to win, since my Drake will cost more than your Titan.

I also possibly have more SP than you, so that is another reason why I should win.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-16 07:49:23 UTC
Except Titans never were meant to do anything to things below sub-caps. Except Titans never were meant to be "used and losed". Except Titans never were meant to be deployed on the same grid in the double digits. Except that your Titan's fleet certainly can't handle sub caps.

(The last one is different from the rest, figure out how.)

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-03-16 10:03:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Pheusia
Antar Logan wrote:
I don't agree that a Titan should be absolutely useless against subcaps... It should be fitted for tank against caps or sebo's against subcaps... that was the idea for all the people that vested months of their time to build one.

My main issue is the cost to make the titan. While completely nerfing it more than 3 times now, the cost to build it stays the same. If it is to be utterly useless please make it so it is easier to be obtained. Let us use them and lose them, Let their value be about 30b in minerals unlike the 40b that it is now with skyrocketing mineral prices.

If you already made the doomsday worse, less shield and armor hp and now scan res to crap along with 3 max lock targets.. the 6000+ cap parts should be about 4500 ... or we will all own one expensive Portable Jump Bridge instead of a Titan.



Let's compare the price ratio between, say, a Caracal and a Cerb. It's about the same as a Dreadnaught vs a Titan, give or take a few percent.

Now let's compare the relative power and utility, even post nerf, of a dreadnaught and a Titan, to that between a Caracal and a Cerb.

Cerb gets
+33% more DPS
+T2 resists, giving maybe double the EHP
+A range bonus
+Targeting range
-Loses drone bay

Titan gets
+100% more DPS
+Does not get stuck in place and unable to receive remote reps/cap when apply that DPS
+500-1500% more EHP
+Can use Doomsday Device to one-shot capitals
+Can only be tackled with bubbles/HICs
+EW Immunity
-slower lock time


EDIT: Plus all the Jump portal, clone vat, leadership bonuses, etc etc etc.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#11 - 2012-03-16 10:37:11 UTC
Antar Logan wrote:
I don't agree that a Titan should be absolutely useless against subcaps... It should be fitted for tank against caps or sebo's against subcaps... that was the idea for all the people that vested months of their time to build one.

My main issue is the cost to make the titan. While completely nerfing it more than 3 times now, the cost to build it stays the same. If it is to be utterly useless please make it so it is easier to be obtained. Let us use them and lose them, Let their value be about 30b in minerals unlike the 40b that it is now with skyrocketing mineral prices.

If you already made the doomsday worse, less shield and armor hp and now scan res to crap along with 3 max lock targets.. the 6000+ cap parts should be about 4500 ... or we will all own one expensive Portable Jump Bridge instead of a Titan.


I would feel bad but I skilled for and bought 2 widows and found out that they are just REALLY bad jump bridges, that are for geting in to cyno jamed systems in null and nothing else......I am a FW pilot......at leat you got a day in the sun with your ship.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-03-16 17:56:22 UTC
Antar Logan wrote:
I don't agree that a Titan should be absolutely useless against subcaps... It should be fitted for tank against caps or sebo's against subcaps... that was the idea for all the people that vested months of their time to build one.


Bad idea is bad
By the way, didn't you posted some time ago in Gallente thread that "battelships are not meant to kill frigates, adapt or die"
You should have thinking about consequences the day you started to lols one shot frigates with your uber titan, or cruisers or battleships? -and by you I mean all you unbrained bitvetpubbies always running after solopownmobiles

Good Idea too about gate camping lowsec in your uber Nyx/Aeon and gank everything passing the dam gate or undocking the dam station
But the "clou du spectacle" was the CCP fleet and everyone else in the system gank by a Titan blob... [:lol:
Let me tell you that this single point there gives me 2 thoughts: you guys are either tremendously stupid/arrogant to think that wouldn't have any consequence, or tremendous genius forcing CCP to see by themselves the consequences that Titans are to the game

In both cases you can't blame anyone else than yourselves, and you greatly deserve what you're getting, suck it up be a man and move on. "your actions always have a come around"

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My main issue is the cost to make the titan. While completely nerfing it more than 3 times now, the cost to build it stays the same. If it is to be utterly useless please make it so it is easier to be obtained. Let us use them and lose them, Let their value be about 30b in minerals unlike the 40b that it is now with skyrocketing mineral prices.


If cost was a problem you wouldn't see that much in the game so no, their price is not only not a problem but it's far too cheap, because when a guy buys the hull for 50B and fit it for over 100B mods then the hull is not expensive
Fly what you can afford to loose

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If you already made the doomsday worse, less shield and armor hp and now scan res to crap along with 3 max lock targets.. the 6000+ cap parts should be about 4500 ... or we will all own one expensive Portable Jump Bridge instead of a Titan.


You can DD a carrier to full damage, a super carrier to full damage, another Titan to full damage - working has intended
Hit Carriers/supers/Titans to full damage with your XL guns it's awesome - working has intended

Now explain me what's the point of having a stuck character in a ship that you can't dock, gives you complete paranoia just by login, a ship requiring you huge amounts of isk= time consuming activities to get that ship unless you use "other" means
So what's the point for you to have/train a specific character to be stuck in that ship at a POS just to bridge guys when a black ops can do the same for cheaper?

-you think that should give you the ultimate weapon in the game and would make you invulnerable to whatever? -if it's the case then I ask you what's the point of it once you get 1000 because you can't expand your alliance to more numbers and goons or another alliance get 5000? -what are you going to find to cry after then?
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
#13 - 2012-03-16 21:30:05 UTC
I'm really surprised by all of these threads.

NO ONE has said anything about dropping one gun for a t2 autotargeter, and another pair for smartbombs. now you've got 5 guns, no drones shooting you, and SIX targets max, and you target all of the ones shooting you (up to max) in what? 4 seconds?

Srsly. i know its a stupid module, but Scan Res set to 5 to cover officer Sebos as a Worst Case?

*SIGH*
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#14 - 2012-03-17 07:50:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Tanya Powers wrote:
-you think that should give you the ultimate weapon in the game and would make you invulnerable to whatever? -if it's the case then I ask you what's the point of it once you get 1000 because you can't expand your alliance to more numbers and goons or another alliance get 5000? -what are you going to find to cry after then?

Eh, that was the backup plan, after all.

Though some are holding off on starting titan constuction, I think. Since there might be some of them on sale for less in a bit ... enough to at least enable "broken" force projection and amazing non-siege cycle structure shooting.
Tanya Powers wrote:
But the "clou du spectacle" was the CCP fleet and everyone else in the system gank by a Titan blob... [:lol:
Let me tell you that this single point there gives me 2 thoughts: you guys are either tremendously stupid/arrogant to think that wouldn't have any consequence, or tremendous genius forcing CCP to see by themselves the consequences that Titans are to the game

In both cases you can't blame anyone else than yourselves, and you greatly deserve what you're getting, suck it up be a man and move on. "your actions always have a come around"

Wait, what? I haven't heard about this CCP fleet being ganked by a titan blob. Anywhere I can find information on this?

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#15 - 2012-03-17 16:36:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
Polaris Fleet

CCP got hot dropped by Supers. It's in there somewhere.

Edit: PL and Supers appear in discussion on and after page 16.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-17 19:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: OfBalance
I honestly hope CCP was aware of the problem prior to that engagement, but if anyone needed a more illustrative point to be made, having PL power-fuck CCP's fleet in titan swarm certainly did the job well.

Watching in awe as a few dozen players teabagged a dev-hax subcap fleet in seconds should have elicited an Oppenheimer-esq moment of reflection.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2012-03-17 19:35:24 UTC
You are going to have a miserable year I am afraid, as CCP said the tracking tweak is a band-aid (read: quick'n'dirty fix) they applied until they figure out what to do with supers in general and Titan's in particular.

There is a very good chance that significantly harsher (for some) changes are coming so rage on, with any luck your anger is all but spent when the main body of changes hit so you can do nothing but accept them and do what is so often spammed: Adapt or Die (trying).

Now all CCP needs to do is remove bridges entirely, that way Titans will always have a purpose .. hahahahaha Smile
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-03-17 19:42:10 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
If only we had a stickied thread for Titan nerf discussion.


Inorite?

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Bibosikus
Air
#19 - 2012-03-17 20:11:43 UTC
Just make them smaller.

Smaller things have less expectations foisted upon them.

PS A friend told me this.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-03-17 22:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: EnderCapitalG
Bibosikus wrote:
Just make them smaller.

Smaller things have less expectations foisted upon them.

PS A friend told me this.



Is this a penis joke??

What the christ

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See that CCP? It's the scientific term for a male's dangly bits.

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