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New Dev Blog: The moments that define history

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Kenpachi Viktor
Perkone
Caldari State
#281 - 2011-09-23 14:11:33 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
To people who are angry about lack of "meat" in this devblog, let me just say a few things.

As a player, I want to know what's being worked on, and not just a "it's going to be ok" kind of statement (like I trust CCP to do things right Roll).
As a member of the CSM, I want to know what's going to be worked on as soon as it is talked about so I can give feedback before considerable effort is spent on something that's not going to solve our issues.

Those two things are what I'm unsatisfied about in this blog.

However, that being said...

CCP has had several problems in the past, the most notable of which has been a severe issue with direction of development. Planetary Interactions? InCarna? Both decent ideas too many resources have been put into without any satisfying roadmap or expectation of positive result. It's been mostly wishful thinking and the product of what we refer to as "team awesome".

CCP is currently taking a big step back from the crap and forward in the right direction. Following the forum rage, the dismal reception of incarna, the subscriber loss, they're effectively saying "let's refocus on what our customer want". That's quite big, and I can't fault CCP for taking a bit of time to figure out exactly in which direction that step should be taken. Which leads me to the 2nd point.

Having seen the way plans are made, I know CCP usually plans for more things that eventually make it to the release. Some of it is bad evaluation of resources needed to complete a task, some of it is the result of too high standards (lol art department), some of it makes sense as you want to overplan so if something goes faster than expected, you know what to spend your resources on.

Historically, whenever CCP has published a plan, instead of taking things with a grain of salt and being happy for the part that eventually made it in, people have reacted negatively to the things that *didn't* make it in. In that sense CCP Zulu's stance to underpromise and overdeliver makes a lot of sense.

The scope of the change is really huge, he said it, I say it. And CCP better be darn sure that what they're telling us is coming will actually be delivered (*wink* *wink*). If anything, this blog ensures that the next ones, the ones with the meat, have to show something we care about, because if it doesn't not only will we be facepalming at the content, we'll be raging at CCP's inability to comprehend what it is we want, despite the amount of feedback provided on the forums and through the CSM. So I'll be repeating what I said in the other thread. If they have to take 2 more weeks to figure out how to do things right, they should do just that, because at this stage promising something and failing to deliver it would be the worst move for this game.

We have another meeting with Zulu today, and what I'll be saying in essence is this:
- don't bring us shiny worthless **** that won't fix anything
- if you want to introduce new shiny, do it in a way that fixes existing problems (new shiny modular POSes, engaging sov mechanics, bounty/sec system revamp, use lowsec improvements to fix the "Crimewatch" system, etc.)

So, is this blog a missed opportunity for positive announcement, yes.
Do we need more information than vague statements, absolutely.
Is CCP's changing direction to go towards what we want a bad thing? Hell no!
That change is happening, we'll just focus on making sure it happens in the right direction.

Rage about the right things.



Well said

A war that would’ve involved 20,000 players, 75% of nullsec space, and hundreds of supercapitals was halted not by diplomacy, but by a game mechanic so dreadful that those who have experienced it previously have no desire to do so again. - Fix POS & SOV
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#282 - 2011-09-23 14:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathan Jameson
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

The Feature War is raging now... the decisions will be made soon... and your voice in this thread provides ammo to one side or the other.


This has been said in one form or another, but an excellent idea for an expansion would be an "Expanded Content" release. A release with new content and features, but specifically for areas of the game that already exist. This could include any number of the following areas:


  • Null Sec Sovereignty (no duh there).
  • Faction Warfare.
  • Low-Sec life.
  • Planetary Interaction.
  • Wormholes and Sleepers (my personal favorite)
  • Incarna. (Because we've seen nothing of what CCP originally envisioned for it.)


I think it would do a lot to both a) create new areas of the game to explore and develop, while b) attracting old players and giving them new reasons to do the same things that drew them to the game in the first place.

http://www.wormholes.info
Darth Sith
Genbuku.
Psycho Unicorn Squad
#283 - 2011-09-23 14:41:24 UTC
I have to admit, I was giddy like a school girl when I fired up my client this morning and it taunted me with the title of a shiney new dev log labeled nothing other then:

" The moments that define history "

I grabbed a coffee, bailed on a conference call and sat up in my office chair, then clicked my way into .... a one page, nay make that a one paragraph blog that simply said:

"We're gonna do lots of stuff but we can't tell you anything"

Needless to say, this was not the epic blog I was expecting nor did it leave me satisfied like an all night drunken sex marathon, it was more like a half finished hand job.

While I can appreciate the fact that CCP is rightfully nervous about promising too much these days due to the backlash, I hope they don't take it too far in the opposite direction and keep us shut out. What I am worried about is that CCP will hide in their cave and spend crazy amounts of work hours on something before soliciting feedback.

Case in point, we get a blog earlier this week about the fact that they are working on a new cyno effect. Instead of doing a quick little fraps of the 'work in progress' to let everyone know where the devs are heading with it and getting the feedback early in the cycle, we got "it works on my client and you will see it in a couple weeks ". That is a couple weeks of time spent on something before even getting the feedback of the consumer that it is intended for.

Please CCP, I love this game and I hope against hope that you guys can revitalize things for a bitter old vet like me who struggles to look for reasons to stick with EVE. I love it, I have lived it since '03, I pay for 7 accounts, but I am simply out of new things or too frustrated with the state of the game to get me excited about clicking on the EVE icon in my start menu vs. Tanks, or Dead Island, or whatever else finds it's way onto my hard drive to entertain me instead of EVE these days.

Work with us, we want you to succeed or we would not be so passionate or driven in our critiques. I think that I speak for a lot of people when I say that we love what you, CCP, has created in EVE. We know you got sidetracked and are trying to find your way back, please make us happy that we have stuck around to see the next evolution of what EVE is to become.
Xue Slick
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#284 - 2011-09-23 14:47:55 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

The Feature War is raging now... the decisions will be made soon... and your voice in this thread provides ammo to one side or the other.


This has been said in one form or another, but an excellent idea for an expansion would be an "Expanded Content" release. A release with new content and features, but specifically for areas of the game that already exist. This could include any number of the following areas:


  • Null Sec Sovereignty (no duh there).
  • Faction Warfare.
  • Low-Sec life.
  • Planetary Interaction.
  • Wormholes and Sleepers (my personal favorite)
  • Incarna. (Because we've seen nothing of what CCP originally envisioned for it.)


I think it would do a lot to both a) create new areas of the game to explore and develop, while b) attracting old players and giving them new reasons to do the same things that drew them to the game in the first place.


I agree with this... some serious things that need fixing and new ideas.

- The shield bonus bug needs fixing.
- Create more regions to spread people out and this will promote smaller scale warfare.
- Reduce max alliance sizes and limit or remove the blue system. Get smaller factions to counter the big blobs.
- Fix the damn Hel! This was promised by a dev when Dominion was launched!
- Give us back our Sanctums!
- New ships and mods please!
- Redistribute the value of moons again so that the actual R8, 16, 32 and 64-rating applies again.
- Fix Hybrid weapons
- Fix Blackops
- Fix the Eve economy, especially around mining and mineral prices. Redistribute OREs evenly throughout EVE.

See, theres a few things that CCP can put into a expansion that will make everyone super happy and get your ratings up again. I for one will reactivate all 7 my accounts to play if the above is actually done ^^.

Do it CCP ffs...
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#285 - 2011-09-23 14:50:39 UTC
paritybit wrote:
Because nobody else is saying it, I'll say it. I want Incarna. The real Incarna. The Incarna with player interaction. I love to fly my space ship and shoot people with my autocannons, but you can't do that all the time. Sometimes you just need to get out of all that pod goo and feel weak and mortal for a while. So while I don't want you to stop working on flying in space, I don't want you to stop working on Incarna either.

There are other players who want Incarna too. Some of them won't say it because the bittervets will deem them unworthy. Some of them don't post on the forums. Some of them quit long ago. Some of them haven't even started playing yet. But there are others.

The idea of Incarna has great potential, but they can't even get the CQ right, it adds about zero to my player experience.... For now, what I want from CCP is that they fix the majority of bugs, some of which have been around for as long as I can remember....
HaydenJD
War Crime Syndicate
#286 - 2011-09-23 14:53:40 UTC
Xue Slick wrote:
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

The Feature War is raging now... the decisions will be made soon... and your voice in this thread provides ammo to one side or the other.


This has been said in one form or another, but an excellent idea for an expansion would be an "Expanded Content" release. A release with new content and features, but specifically for areas of the game that already exist. This could include any number of the following areas:


  • Null Sec Sovereignty (no duh there).
  • Faction Warfare.
  • Low-Sec life.
  • Planetary Interaction.
  • Wormholes and Sleepers (my personal favorite)
  • Incarna. (Because we've seen nothing of what CCP originally envisioned for it.)


I think it would do a lot to both a) create new areas of the game to explore and develop, while b) attracting old players and giving them new reasons to do the same things that drew them to the game in the first place.


I agree with this... some serious things that need fixing and new ideas.

- The shield bonus bug needs fixing.
- Create more regions to spread people out and this will promote smaller scale warfare.
- Reduce max alliance sizes and limit or remove the blue system. Get smaller factions to counter the big blobs.
- Fix the damn Hel! This was promised by a dev when Dominion was launched!
- Give us back our Sanctums!
- New ships and mods please!
- Redistribute the value of moons again so that the actual R8, 16, 32 and 64-rating applies again.
- Fix Hybrid weapons
- Fix Blackops
- Fix the Eve economy, especially around mining and mineral prices. Redistribute OREs evenly throughout EVE.

See, theres a few things that CCP can put into a expansion that will make everyone super happy and get your ratings up again. I for one will reactivate all 7 my accounts to play if the above is actually done ^^.

Do it CCP ffs...


It pisses me off that CCP has to dedicate entire expansions to fixing things instead of new content. CCP needs to fix these things once and for all then get back on track with new content like they should.
cyllan anassan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#287 - 2011-09-23 14:55:45 UTC



the power of PR.......


they didnt give a **** for a milliion eve posts till the magazines and internet news caught on the CSM open letter complains


I think the CSM should do the CCP meettings in front of reporters from now on.

There is no need for NDA on 99% of those meetings info

, as they are not patenting new products or copyrighted technology.
RLCHANCE
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#288 - 2011-09-23 14:56:34 UTC
Nice. Good job CCP
Decus Daga
Unfit for Duty
#289 - 2011-09-23 15:18:14 UTC
cyllan anassan wrote:



the power of PR.......


they didnt give a **** for a milliion eve posts till the magazines and internet news caught on the CSM open letter complains


I think the CSM should do the CCP meettings in front of reporters from now on.

There is no need for NDA on 99% of those meetings info

, as they are not patenting new products or copyrighted technology.





Bitter, Bitter Tears.

Personally im loving all CCP's doing lately, and ive been here from the start. Keep up the good work CCP!
Booty Smackarack
Space Wizards.
Tactical Narcotics Team
#290 - 2011-09-23 15:39:02 UTC
"Alright, big news from CCP! We're doubling our permanent EVE Online development staff, from 5 to 10!"
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#291 - 2011-09-23 15:44:38 UTC
The CSM has posted a statement regarding CCP's refocusing

We encourage you to read it.

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Sexy Moped
Polaris Nebulae
#292 - 2011-09-23 15:46:25 UTC
This Dev Blog has more clouds surrounding it than Mount Everest. Too much "watch this space" and "in the future" at the moment. How tiring.

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Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#293 - 2011-09-23 15:54:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Anvil44
How sad. A blog with no useful content.

As so many have said, please deliver some info that tells us what you are planning. Why not even a few points, with something at the end to tell us if it is Certain, Very Likely, Likely, Possible, Hopeful, Pipe Dream or Smoke Out of Our A**es. Give us some indications of what you think we want so we can tell you if you are right.

I love Eve. The grand scope of space, the dangers of being in the middle of...nothing. The option of working solo or in teams. The amount of choices.

Make the game work, make sure all the features you have created are useful. Solo players should be able to get everything team players can get. It should just be a much harder/longer process. Making low sec possible to reach without the massive gate blobs but still keeping it dangerous is important too. Let's worry about what is already there. PI should be fun, not work, it's a dang game. Even the trading is fun for those that want to do only that in Eve.

And yes, I would like to see WIS. I think it can only amplify that feeling of vastness when you actually undock. Or walking in a deserted station, cause no one is in local. That too would make Eve feel more real.

There are so many things that could be brought up for you to work on. Many others have brought them up.

Don't give us smoke and mirrors and DON'T talk down to us. I am not only an adult, but, regretfully, over the age of 40, so I should be treated as someone who has actually had some real life experience (and I've had plenty experiences). Treat me as what I am: a paying customer that likes much of what has been done and wants to see more of it. If the car company I like stops making cars I like, I will go somewhere else. Same with computer games.

I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.
N1gella Laws0n
Doomheim
#294 - 2011-09-23 15:59:52 UTC
So, finally decided to go back to promising things we actually want promising eh? It's going to be just like the old days, now we can get back to the important business of whining about you not delivering on your promises?
Exa Istari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#295 - 2011-09-23 16:01:23 UTC
"All of CCP is currently working to.... FIX BLASTERS"
EMPstrike
Darkest Before Dawn
Dawn's Vanguard
#296 - 2011-09-23 16:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: EMPstrike
Just to clarify beyond the heavily negative/biased opinions:

This moment that defines history, he isnt referrign to his WORDS, but the actual point in which they've decided to take a different route alltogether, whether youve been informed about it yet or not. Stuff happens at CCP, even if they arent simultaneously writing dev blogs while they do it.

Noone cares about incarna?:

I'd like to clarify that theres plenty that DO care about, specifically the walking in statiosn part, of incarna. Some people enjoy much more than simply blowing you up and getting richer/bragging rights. Immersion is the words, and plenty of folks dig it i believe. EVE was designed witht he mentality that people have jobs and lives. Some people enjoy roleplaying as a past time and Incarna seems like an incredible tool to immerse that player base that wants it.

Adding ship spinning as an option is great, as the people who "dont care about incarna" and flick thier hangar all day. Some people play EVE simply to make money and try to be better, mroe pwoerful than other people as quickly as possible. They dont want, nor have need to walka round in station (Unless, they make it where you have to conduct shady drug deals in person, in which case these people may cry even harder than they already are)


But this silliness about "Im gonna unsubscribe because blah blah i only see one side of something"
^is just this :)

EDIT: Also think CCP laughs at comments liek the one two posts above this one, when they are able to deliver :)
Aineko Macx
#297 - 2011-09-23 16:31:07 UTC
Since at this point CCP doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, I'll believe it when good stuff™ hits TQ.

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Byshop Kayl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#298 - 2011-09-23 16:32:35 UTC
EMPstrike wrote:
EDIT: Also think CCP laughs at comments liek the one two posts above this one, when they are able to deliver :)

I for one welcome CCP to laugh at me all they want, once they actually deliver.

 "Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive." -- Anonymous "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results." -- A. Einstein
Marsan
#299 - 2011-09-23 16:41:59 UTC
Honestly I'm confused. Big things? Watch this space? The entire devblog has no purpose. Tell us your fixing a large number of long standing issues. Tell us we can scale our fonts. Tell us you're redesigning POSes. Tell us that we'll get out of our crappy looking quarters and be able to walk around the station. Tell me that I'll be able to dock 2 clients without the game crashing.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
London
Center for Advanced Studies
#300 - 2011-09-23 16:51:21 UTC
Exa Istari wrote:
"All of CCP is currently working to.... FIX BLASTERS"


**** yah, it only took 4 years. :P