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Discussion Thread: CSM Statement regarding CCP refocusing

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-23 15:40:08 UTC
This thread is for discussion of the CSM Statement regarding CCP refocusing.

Please keep the main thread clear of discussion, +1 posts and likes only.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Khagah Mishi
#2 - 2011-09-23 15:42:52 UTC
I cannot agree with nor 'like' this part of the statement:
"It is the strong belief of the CSM that if CCP refocuses their efforts on delivering what the community wants, they will be able to regain the faith and trust of the community, and subscriber numbers will resume their steady growth."
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#3 - 2011-09-23 15:46:50 UTC
do not add anything til things/interfaces/pos/sov/ship balance/scaps are fixed please. you game is broken currently, adding more broken shite is not the way forward.

by do not add anything, i mean exactly that. no moving mins, no adding small holding, no anything but fixing what we ******* have now.

btw the link to this is broken in the other +1 post

OMG when can i get a pic here
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#4 - 2011-09-23 15:49:00 UTC
What was sayed at todays meeting with CCP Zulu?

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#5 - 2011-09-23 15:49:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
so the other thread about this subject is the approval thread? and this is the discussion thread?

no wonder people hate the CSM

sorry, I understand the nees for a vote thread of sorts, but liking a thread only likes the poster of the thread and I personally feel you are abusing the like feature by telling the people who agree to like the thread, but threads are not ranked by likes, posters are.

can you see what I'm getting at, its less of an opinion about the post and more an opinion of the poster.
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-09-23 15:55:41 UTC
If CCP fleshed out stuff that was inexplicably dropped mid-development (faction warfare, sov revamp), and fixed the glaring game issues (supercaps, sov, neglect of lowsec), many people who have previously left EVE would return en masse. Also, it would help attract new people. I couldn't agree with the statements made by Trebor more, and look forward to CCP's response (both in writing and in actions) to the concerns raised by Trebor.
AFKCloaked AltSpy
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-09-23 15:56:56 UTC
If I have said it once I have said it a thousand time, neither the CSM nor the player base has the right nor the proper information to try to tell CCP how to macromanage their company.

You can tell CCP what you would like to see in game all you want. Have fun with it.

People get really upset at hearing this for some reason, I suppose passion for the game. So tell them what you want in game. Vehemently. Make a thread with a quarter million likes.

But as soon as you tell them how to do it, you are crossing the line.

I.E. let developers develop. Tell them what you want to see developed. As long as its not gold ammo or bypasses industry, I could give 2 *****. Let the managers manage. If you can manage better than them, become one.
Sexy Moped
Polaris Nebulae
#8 - 2011-09-23 15:57:02 UTC
Salpun wrote:
What was sayed at todays meeting with CCP Zulu?



This:

CCP Zulu wrote:
Watch this space.


Sorry to be sarcastic but not much else to say really. The clouds are growing and multiplying.

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-09-23 16:05:48 UTC
Salpun wrote:
What was sayed at todays meeting with CCP Zulu?


Due to some unexpected family issues, we did not meet with Zulu today, though we had a long discussion with Xhagen.

We expect to talk to Zulu again early next week.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#10 - 2011-09-23 16:06:37 UTC
As I said in the other thread, I think we need old stuff fixed as well as some new content. Those of us with 80+ million SP need some new goals to train for.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-09-23 16:08:21 UTC
Interesting technique. While I agree in general with what was stated, I will not +1 the thread. Where was the "general" agreement solicitation when w-space nerfs were pushed forward between the CSM and CCP?

Don't ban me, bro!
Sexy Moped
Polaris Nebulae
#12 - 2011-09-23 16:09:38 UTC
Two step wrote:
As I said in the other thread, I think we need old stuff fixed as well as some new content. Those of us with 80+ million SP need some new goals to train for.


Can i +1 this? Big smile

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-23 16:10:55 UTC
Watch this ___________________ .


The reason for your TWO CSM-thread is way beyond me,
and i actually do not care about you, so i'll never ever give you a like.

I totally agree with red-hotlips.

This feels really, really unnecessary,
because we already have a statement from CCP,
you guys actually already have plenty of support AND YOU KNOW IT,
so this now feels more like HARVESTING than anything else.

There are people that believe you are doing good work
and i can only agree with them to some point, maybe,
but on the other hand - in my mind - the abbreviation actually means...

**** Sucking Morons.

There, you had my attention.
Now get back to work and stop whoring "likes".
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#14 - 2011-09-23 16:11:24 UTC
Two step wrote:
As I said in the other thread, I think we need old stuff fixed as well as some new content. Those of us with 80+ million SP need some new goals to train for.



i also have toons with over 80mil sp's, but that dosnt mean i wouldnt be happy to let 1 expansion go by that was just a major over haul of all teh broken crap we have now.

whats the point of new shiney stuff, if that new shiney stuff is broken, half arsed and incompleat?

the list of half finsihed broken stuff is so dam long, it would be like a new game to get it all finished and fixed

OMG when can i get a pic here
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#15 - 2011-09-23 16:16:43 UTC
I will reserve my +1 for the time after the winter expansion, when words fade and reality sets in.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Raid'En
#16 - 2011-09-23 16:20:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Raid'En
Quote:
Any new content should be directly related to providing support for iteration of existing content. For example (this is not a proposal, just an example for illustration purposes), an expansion of space could be used to provide opportunities for small sovholding, and materials for new POS structures and manufacturing.

that's not even an example, that's the reality of what we want :P

this stuff would be iteration + shiny at the same time, that's the best path.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#17 - 2011-09-23 16:23:42 UTC
AFKCloaked AltSpy wrote:
If I have said it once I have said it a thousand time, neither the CSM nor the player base has the right nor the proper information to try to tell CCP how to macromanage their company.

You can tell CCP what you would like to see in game all you want. Have fun with it.

People get really upset at hearing this for some reason, I suppose passion for the game. So tell them what you want in game. Vehemently. Make a thread with a quarter million likes.

But as soon as you tell them how to do it, you are crossing the line.

I.E. let developers develop. Tell them what you want to see developed. As long as its not gold ammo or bypasses industry, I could give 2 *****. Let the managers manage. If you can manage better than them, become one.


I don't want them to continue to assign all of their devs to things other than eve. If they continue to do that they will continue to put out crap expansions and the game will suffer. I am perfectly within my rights to say this.

Why would you even suggest people do not have a *right* to say this?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
EMPstrike
Darkest Before Dawn
Dawn's Vanguard
#18 - 2011-09-23 16:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: EMPstrike
While i DO agree with the statment in the other thread, i totally disagree that CCP should not focus on new things (which i assumed referred to walkin in stations)

Before Incarna's release there were tons of people posting complaining how CCP promised Walking in Stations for years but never delivered. Which to me showed they really want it.

I have a theory that most people only post in dev threads when they have something to complain about, as the area of discussion on specific issues always change when something is changed or released, and the input is by a vast majority, always negative.

I propose a survey IN GAME amongst the players IN GAME is taken on issues, as alot of people who are busy enjoying the game have no reason to visit the forums other than discussing ship fits or missions or something.

What is it, like 25,000 individual subscribers to the game? when a dev blog is released, after 1 week, its like maybe 3 or 400 people, maybe a bit more, reply to it, and only about 75% of that is negative, and most of that negativity isnt even game related (comments on CCP's competancy, etc)


Have a survey in game, and when making this survey, bear in mind some people have several accounts and they feel they should use them all to make thier own voice bigger.

Find a way to get 1 survey per person, and im fairly sure youll see vastly differing opinions.

EDIT: As a side note and example, ive been a memebr here since 2006, and this is the first day ive used the forums to voice opinions.
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#19 - 2011-09-23 16:36:22 UTC
I'd love to hear an honest assessment of where Incarna development is actually at. If it's close to being deliverable I'd like to see a third development of development resources for walking in stations, a third for new space content and a third for maintenance and improvement of existing space content. If it's not close then I'm just really disappointed.

The players are calling out CCP for real issues but I also agree with this quote from Steve Jobs:

Quote:
You can’t just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they’ll want something new.


Overall, just depressing. I'll keep watching this space and keep my hopes up that I like what appears.

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Grateler
People's Front of Offugen
#20 - 2011-09-23 16:37:47 UTC
AFKCloaked AltSpy wrote:
If I have said it once I have said it a thousand time, neither the CSM nor the player base has the right nor the proper information to try to tell CCP how to macromanage their company.

You can tell CCP what you would like to see in game all you want. Have fun with it.

People get really upset at hearing this for some reason, I suppose passion for the game. So tell them what you want in game. Vehemently. Make a thread with a quarter million likes.

But as soon as you tell them how to do it, you are crossing the line.

I.E. let developers develop. Tell them what you want to see developed. As long as its not gold ammo or bypasses industry, I could give 2 *****. Let the managers manage. If you can manage better than them, become one.


No one is telling the how to do anything but telling them what needs fixing.

Not sure where your comments are coming from....
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