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[Video] Kill Will: Volume 4
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Laqua
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2011-09-23 00:26:36 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
What i'm going to say is nothing personal, but garmon does more in his videos than this. Here everything comes down to pilots being awful, garmon's videos have alot of variety to them, this video is all about taking advantage of implants and links.

I like this movie, but there are so many "1v10" videos like "Force of Nature" that also have those types of fights, but they're so much more than just tank and spank or baiting because you're constantly safe from dying thanks to ISK. You're so well equipped for the engagements that you rarely have to overheat. If you can take on 3 ships, or f.e. take on a Thrasher in a Merlin, where you should be dead and you win while barely even taking any heat damage then it's like taking on a Rifter in a Vexor, isn't it? It's great if you get the fight, you probably have to do something more to win it, but it doesn't make for strong video footage. The point i'm trying to make is, it's absolutely fine with me if you're putting so much money behind you on the field, however what should follow that is you taking full advantage of it, you should put your ship to the absolute limit and not just straight up tank everything, eliminating DPS from the field untill people realise they can't break you so they leave.

I understand why this all seems epic and great and it definetly takes a good pilot to make it happen, but as much as the number of kills looks great, the footage doesn't. f.e. i'd take Prozacxx's "(-1)" over this anytime even if this video was 3x as long or whatever you think that makes a video good.

No offense.

On a completely unrelated note, your whole game plan seems to be metagaming people to death. You take a ship, you overtank it, plug in 2b worth of implants, bring a link alt, fit not enough tackle and go brawl people to death. A Thorax or a Deimos with just a scrambler facing a fleet should die in an instant and not kill anything, people know that, that's why they seemingly act stupid in some fights. However behind your T1 hull there's 3b worth of ISK and that's metagaming. Metagaming is part of this game and i understand it, baiting with a hull tanked Machariel can work and be entertaining, but if that's all you have for all the fights, then it makes for a poor video. There is footage of people not acting stupid, like the fight of your Moa versus a Drake and a Dramiel, these guys know what they're doing and you're absolutely hopeless, you tank fine because of the isk you put out there, but that's it.

Just my opinion.


Did you even watch the video you facking dipshit? the thrasher fight he almost died, wasn't even fully tanking. The metagaming part doesn't even make any sense. Metagaming means outside the game, which would be something like crashing their teamspeak or killing their connection somehow. Will isn't a good pilot, he is an amazing pilot, that is why he can do this, regardless of the isk he puts into it. And how exactly was most of this movie not to the absolute limit? I can't count he times he had to overheat just to stay alive. And the overtanking part? You're contradicting yourself by saying that he shouldn't be "overtanking" his ship, and then saying this:

"you should put your ship to the absolute limit and not just straight up tank everything, eliminating DPS from the field untill people realise they can't break you so they leave."

Might I add that that is totally unfounded anyway, I really would like to see your fat ass do any better.

Btw, he had tremendous heat damage and even burned out his DC in the last battle.

Go **** yourself.
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2011-09-23 01:06:57 UTC
Lol, guys.

Good to see all you brosefs having my back on this one :)

Hi
Laqua
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2011-09-23 03:02:22 UTC
yeah, all these faggots think they are more elite of a fanboi than me
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2011-09-23 14:25:56 UTC
you guys haven't even read what i've said, good attempt at fanboism though
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2011-09-23 14:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Virgil
and i've said this video's fine, and the fights aren't easy, but you're always fighting with a noticable safety margin and that doesn't make for interesting fights, maybe the newbs that post here will think it is because there's alot of things dying, you yourself didn't get my point either, even though i explained it, when there are competent people fighting you, you lose, your previous videos are a testament to that, in this video you don't take your ship to the limit to win, you do it to get more kills, but you're always safe, that doesn't make for an interesting video, it's all a very boring experience even though there's alot of things dying. I couldn't care less who you are, i don't fly with you, i'm talking strictly about the footage that was presented here.

i'm not expecting idiots ITT understand it, but i'd think you'd get what i'm saying, i guess not. You can't see past the fact i'm talking negatively about the video, i can give you a thumbs up if that'll make you feel better, it's no problem.
Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#66 - 2011-09-23 14:42:55 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
and i've said this video's fine, and the fights aren't easy, but you're always fighting with a noticable safety margin and that doesn't make for interesting fights, maybe the newbs that post here will think it is because there's alot of things dying, you yourself didn't get my point either, even though i explained it, when there are competent people fighting you, you lose, your previous videos are a testament to that, in this video you don't take your ship to the limit to win, you do it to get more kills, but you're always safe, that doesn't make for an interesting video

i'm not expecting idiots ITT understand it, but i'd think you'd get what i'm saying, i guess not


I read every word you wrote actually, and its just plain garbage. I might've been inclined to treat what you said more seriously if you hadn't already exposed yourself as a troll by your comments in spank's video thread.

Anyway, thats enough of feeding you, shoo!

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Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2011-09-23 14:45:06 UTC
so you think spank's video is legitimate? i guess you're good friends, but do you actually think that it's good? we can go into details about why it's awful, i have no problems with that, i'd assume it's clear to anybody who has done PvP in this game
Comboduck
The Voices Keep Getting Louder
#68 - 2011-09-23 15:28:31 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
and i've said this video's fine, and the fights aren't easy, but you're always fighting with a noticable safety margin and that doesn't make for interesting fights, maybe the newbs that post here will think it is because there's alot of things dying, you yourself didn't get my point either, even though i explained it, when there are competent people fighting you, you lose, your previous videos are a testament to that, in this video you don't take your ship to the limit to win, you do it to get more kills, but you're always safe, that doesn't make for an interesting video, it's all a very boring experience even though there's alot of things dying. I couldn't care less who you are, i don't fly with you, i'm talking strictly about the footage that was presented here.

i'm not expecting idiots ITT understand it, but i'd think you'd get what i'm saying, i guess not. You can't see past the fact i'm talking negatively about the video, i can give you a thumbs up if that'll make you feel better, it's no problem.


post with your main you pathetic crybaby
DHB WildCat
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#69 - 2011-09-23 15:33:43 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
What i'm going to say is nothing personal, but garmon does more in his videos than this. Here everything comes down to pilots being awful, garmon's videos have alot of variety to them, this video is all about taking advantage of implants and links.

I like this movie, but there are so many "1v10" videos like "Force of Nature" that also have those types of fights, but they're so much more than just tank and spank or baiting because you're constantly safe from dying thanks to ISK. You're so well equipped for the engagements that you rarely have to overheat. If you can take on 3 ships, or f.e. take on a Thrasher in a Merlin, where you should be dead and you win while barely even taking any heat damage then it's like taking on a Rifter in a Vexor, isn't it? It's great if you get the fight, you probably have to do something more to win it, but it doesn't make for strong video footage. The point i'm trying to make is, it's absolutely fine with me if you're putting so much money behind you on the field, however what should follow that is you taking full advantage of it, you should put your ship to the absolute limit and not just straight up tank everything, eliminating DPS from the field untill people realise they can't break you so they leave.

I understand why this all seems epic and great and it definetly takes a good pilot to make it happen, but as much as the number of kills looks great, the footage doesn't. f.e. i'd take Prozacxx's "(-1)" over this anytime even if this video was 3x as long or whatever you think that makes a video good.

No offense.

On a completely unrelated note, your whole game plan seems to be metagaming people to death. You take a ship, you overtank it, plug in 2b worth of implants, bring a link alt, fit not enough tackle and go brawl people to death. A Thorax or a Deimos with just a scrambler facing a fleet should die in an instant and not kill anything, people know that, that's why they seemingly act stupid in some fights. However behind your T1 hull there's 3b worth of ISK and that's metagaming. Metagaming is part of this game and i understand it, baiting with a hull tanked Machariel can work and be entertaining, but if that's all you have for all the fights, then it makes for a poor video. There is footage of people not acting stupid, like the fight of your Moa versus a Drake and a Dramiel, these guys know what they're doing and you're absolutely hopeless, you tank fine because of the isk you put out there, but that's it.

Just my opinion.




Very interesting...... Now I would completely understand this rant if you were commenting on my "Burning EVE" series. However with Will's vids this makes no sense. These videos from Will are all about "outside" the box set-ups and a great pilot making them work.

Notice the deimos kites in many fights to seperate the enemy so that he can engage them. Or taking a t2 fit frig against a thrasher and vexor and noticing the vex has ab and t1 drones. These are not videos or fights in which people are stupid. This is a fight in which you are watching an amazing pilot show you how to do everything right.

For example, when I engage an enemy I will have
1) checked local in systems two jumps away in every direction
2) checked employment history on target, gives me age and relative guess at skill points.
3) Will have seen his ship with alt and check for t2 fit
4) Will check enemy killboard to see how many he will have for back-up especially for possible BO or cap hotdrops.
5) Many other things................

You are more than welcome to your opinion and I respect it and you, however you cannot deny Will's piloting ability. Yes Garmon is amazing and the Hydra boys for the most part are all great. I hope you can see the plus side to Will's vids as much as garmons.

Oh and FYI, Garmon doesnt state it but most of his fights in his videos have implants and t3 boosting alt too 8)


WildCat
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2011-09-23 17:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Virgil
never denied his piloting ability, to get these kills you have to be good, however he never strugles and it all looks like complete overpowering, it doesn't mean he's a bad pilot, but to me this does not make for interesting video footage, even though there's alot of kills happening, i know Garmon uses T3 links and HG implants, i have said, this isn't a problem to me, the problem is how this feels like there's never any risk of dying, minimum heat management involved, etc. On a side note, Garmon's videos are alot more than what was shown here and player skill was never the point here.

i mean there are 2 drakes and a tengu wailing on this deimos and he's tanking it all no problem with just 1 repairer, and they stay in range of this blaster ship while they shouldn't be even bumping him like idiots, how is this interesting, he might aswell be ratting
Laqua
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2011-09-23 22:14:37 UTC
no one has asked yet, where the **** is your video fabulous faggut?
Ghe
Obit Sine Prole
#72 - 2011-09-23 22:43:12 UTC
I liked it, found it very good. GJ Will

Tbh. i liked your ishtar vid more, cant put my finger on why exactly though

Keep up the good work :)
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2011-09-24 02:30:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Willl Adama
Would you at least post with your main before you insult my hard work, you faceless coward.



Oh, and I like how you call well respected pilots such as Laktos, Zach and Wildcat etc. for idiots.

Hi
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#74 - 2011-09-24 06:43:38 UTC
Willl Adama wrote:
Would you at least post with your main before you insult my hard work, you faceless coward.



Oh, and I like how you call well respected pilots such as Laktos, Zach and Wildcat etc. for idiots.


pls no more posting like this, if u continue timothy is going 2 intervene i will paste corp info for your review tia

Quote:
Genos Occidere is an Anti-Pirate, Caldari loyalist corporation, with a NRDS (not red shoot it policy). We are friendly to CVA and other powerful anti-pirate alliances we originated from like Hydra alliance.

We have a few basic principles that each of our members should stick to.
- Be respectful, Kind and Curtious in local and communication channels. Smacktalk is not tolerated, neither is crude and vulgar language.
- Stick to our NRDS policy, we follow the same KOS list that CVA does, as well as engaging pilots with low security status. You can see CVA's KOS list here: http://www.cva-eve.org/kos/
- Strictly no pirating.
- Ability to roleplay in public communications channels, and some knowledge of the eve background story and prime fiction

Killboard: http://genos.killmail.org/?a=kills

Recruitment is CLOSED, we have too many people now, seriously dont apply, our corp is ******* massive now, I want to roam in small gangs not in ******* blobs so **** OFF

Join 'Genos Public' if you want to chill

.
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#75 - 2011-09-24 07:23:02 UTC
Duncan Tanner wrote:
Willl Adama wrote:
Would you at least post with your main before you insult my hard work, you faceless coward.



Oh, and I like how you call well respected pilots such as Laktos, Zach and Wildcat etc. for idiots.


pls no more posting like this, if u continue timothy is going 2 intervene i will paste corp info for your review tia

Quote:
Genos Occidere is an Anti-Pirate, Caldari loyalist corporation, with a NRDS (not red shoot it policy). We are friendly to CVA and other powerful anti-pirate alliances we originated from like Hydra alliance.

We have a few basic principles that each of our members should stick to.
- Be respectful, Kind and Curtious in local and communication channels. Smacktalk is not tolerated, neither is crude and vulgar language.
- Stick to our NRDS policy, we follow the same KOS list that CVA does, as well as engaging pilots with low security status. You can see CVA's KOS list here: http://www.cva-eve.org/kos/
- Strictly no pirating.
- Ability to roleplay in public communications channels, and some knowledge of the eve background story and prime fiction

Killboard: http://genos.killmail.org/?a=kills

Recruitment is CLOSED, we have too many people now, seriously dont apply, our corp is ******* massive now, I want to roam in small gangs not in ******* blobs so **** OFF

Join 'Genos Public' if you want to chill


He's drunk m8, cut him some slack. Timothy said we're entitled to 1 drunken rant a month

My Latest Video: Freestyle III
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2011-09-24 13:29:34 UTC
Willl Adama wrote:
Would you at least post with your main before you insult my hard work, you faceless coward.



Oh, and I like how you call well respected pilots such as Laktos, Zach and Wildcat etc. for idiots.


man i love how you can disregard everything because somebody said they don't like your video and just insult for the sake of insulting, i'd love to see your opinion on what i've said, but you rather be angry, that's real quality, what do you want my main for, to say "i'm better", it doesn't matter how good you are, what matters is the video, but you rather go all personal, i mean really, i'd expect more than this, but i guess you post videos to get praise and can't take an argument

and i'd never insult wildcat, he's the only intelligent person that wouldn't reply with pure hate at the slightest sign of someobdy disliking this, something you can't even grasp
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2011-09-24 13:32:38 UTC
i mean really, did you even read what i've said, or just had a look at the first post and tagged it as "your video is bad", you've got such childish approach to this, i don't put it past you to just reply to this and say i'm only insulting you, 1 constructive thought from you and i'd be happy, but you "won't even bother", lol
leyo690
Asocial Club
#78 - 2011-09-24 13:55:30 UTC
what the ... ?

Oh i got it. El'tar created an alt for this forum, looking for another kind of solo-trolling pewpew here... and he was sure he would be alone to criticize this vid so he would have plenty of targets to troll-pew.
He probably miss eve-pew a bit too much :p .

Btw, very nice vid, added to collection.
Gungnir Winder
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2011-09-24 14:09:58 UTC
Nice vid Willl, awesome piloting and good editing. :)

My Youtube channel  Gungnir Winder
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2011-09-24 14:10:06 UTC
Mby I'd do proper replies if your posts made any sense at all m8er

Hi