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Closed - Special Manufactor/Research Bond - Collateralized 9,5b Bond filled

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Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#21 - 2012-01-10 14:41:57 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
10b uncollateral bond at 5% (ie. 250m) - with a BPO as a "sorta" collateral, for having to research in return for the collateral - as I know, I am not know on the forum?

But your BPO is not worth 10b, not even close.

So, you are offering at best 50% collateral. You would not get the fully collateralised rate.

Furthermore you are not an unknown anymore. You are known as being dishonest.
Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#22 - 2012-01-10 14:50:22 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
4,5b - If I was a scamer, I would run with it - as I could sell it for more - likely atleast 5.5 - without even researching it.

I rather pay higher interest and have smaller chance of other person running with. If 5% for normal uncollateral is the going rate (seems so), would it be unfair to say

10b uncollateral bond at 5% (ie. 250m) - with a BPO as a "sorta" collateral, for having to research in return for the collateral - as I know, I am not know on the forum?

10b at 5% is 500m, not 250m.

5% is not the normal uncollateralised rate for a first time bond.

10b is not an amount that a first time bond holder can raise.
Commander Jameson 101
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-01-10 14:59:44 UTC
5b at 5% (250m per month) for any combination of ME/PE research.

Tell one more lie in this thread and I will withdraw the offer.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#24 - 2012-01-10 15:11:43 UTC
sunglasses took over, now its serious business
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-01-10 15:29:04 UTC
If anyone reads this thread and thinks I am dishonest - I don't have a problem with that - As I'll not miss those people.

I have not been dishonest about anything ever - but I'm covering my bases and might make mistakes - at least I am willing to admit and correct. And I NEVER statet that the BPO was worth 10b.

But I did find my calc error, on the first offer Roll Tx for the help Smile
10b 5% is 500m and not 200m

The 2% is for fully - so should have been 375m for a "half" collateralized bond and likely 400m with research claus - even if I valued the BPO as somewhat more worth than 5b :D



Scenario:
1 - Make a collateral with a item worth more than bond - I run risk at being scamed.
2 - Make for precise amount - hard to find, as both parties have interest in turning the value to their side.
3 - Make a collateral with a item worth less than bond - bond holder runs risk at being scamed.
4 - Make with no collateral - even more risk

1 is not good for me.
2 - is really hard to find.

I choose to combing the 3-4

By going rates - I could have made a 10b at 5% with no C.
So what I was trying to offer was a BPO at going rate, in return for having it researched - I must clearly be a scamer - lol





@James
I value the BPO at 9b (which gives me a lot of room, for no one would want to run with it) - so any bond for less of that, is a no go for me - I'm still willing to pay 4% or a close even number for this special "half" collateralized bond, with the special research claus
Commander Jameson 101
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-01-10 15:34:16 UTC
Commander Jameson 101 wrote:
Tell one more lie in this thread and I will withdraw the offer.

Offer withdrawn as per my conditions.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-01-10 15:38:48 UTC
What lie would that be ?
Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#28 - 2012-01-10 15:47:01 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
Scenario:
1 - Make a collateral with a item worth more than bond - I run risk at being scamed.
2 - Make for precise amount - hard to find, as both parties have interest in turning the value to their side.
3 - Make a collateral with a item worth less than bond - bond holder runs risk at being scamed.
4 - Make with no collateral - even more risk

1 is not good for me.
2 - is really hard to find.

It looks like you were already offered 2 by the commander. He offered you exactly what you paid for it two days ago. That is as fair an offer as you could expect.

Aine Ni wrote:
I choose to combing the 3-4

What a suprise. You choose the two options that allow you to scam your investor.

Aine Ni wrote:
By going rates - I could have made a 10b at 5% with no C.

Nonsense. The going rate for an uncollateralised 1st timer is not 10b at 5%.

You could not raise 10b at any rate as an uncollateralised 1st timer.

You would be lucky to get 5% even on a small amount as an uncollateralised 1st timer.

This is before you entered into all this deception about the value and return of the collateral.

Aine Ni wrote:
I must clearly be a scamer

Yes. We know. You have made it somewhat obvious.

Aine Ni wrote:
I value the BPO at 9b (which gives me a lot of room, for no one would want to run with it)

That may be your valuation, but the marketplace values it at 5b - the price you bought it for at public auction 2 days ago.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-01-10 16:02:18 UTC
Nonsense. The going rate for an uncollateralised 1st timer is not 10b at 5%.
You could not raise 10b at any rate as an uncollateralised 1st timer.
You would be lucky to get 5% even on a small amount as an uncollateralised 1st timer.


That might be true - I was just what I looked at few of the last bonds - I dont read their full history.
What would be more the likely rate for the two types ?




I must clearly be a scamer
Yes. We know. You have made it somewhat obvious.


LOL - some people just can't take a joke Roll




That may be your valuation, but the marketplace values it at 5b - the price you bought it for at public auction 2 days ago.


If I thought it was less worth - why would I buy it ?
I was the ONLY one that made a bid WITHIN the time frame. The other bid was after - So clearly otherwise the price would have be higher. So to judge a value, from the fact I got a good deal - is fare from valid, IMHO.


My honest value is not the fuld 9b - BUT I also want to be sure, when I payback the loan - I have a BPO to pick up Blink
Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#30 - 2012-01-10 16:21:26 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
Nonsense. The going rate for an uncollateralised 1st timer is not 10b at 5%.
You could not raise 10b at any rate as an uncollateralised 1st timer.
You would be lucky to get 5% even on a small amount as an uncollateralised 1st timer.


That might be true - I was just what I looked at few of the last bonds - I dont read their full history.
What would be more the likely rate for the two types ?

For a collateralised loan it is normal for the collateral to be valued at firesale prices, to protect the investor against a drop in the value of the collateral and to prevent the investee from simply defaulting.

Rates would generally be in the 3%-5% range.

The 4.5b at 4% suggestion that I made would therefore be reasonable and the 5b at 5% offer that CJ101 made would be on the high side.

For an uncollateralised 1st time loan you might get between 100m-1b at 5%-10% depending on the quality of your proposal and the results of any audit done on you. In your case, your proposal is riddled with what can generously be termed as errors and less generously regarded as lies. You offer no business plan, in fact you refuse to offer one. I honestly doubt that anyone would offer you an uncollateralised loan on this character based on this.
Lila Rodriquez
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-01-10 17:50:05 UTC
Mail sent
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#32 - 2012-01-10 22:15:55 UTC
I still feel this kind of reasoning from persons that comes here to ask for our money is odd!

By reasoning I have come to the conclusion that you don't have 9 Bil to spare, since you are asking us to give it to you.
Isn't it viable to assume that a character that have 9 Bil to risk in any kind of bond probably have more to lose and less to gain by scamming someone for a small sum of ISK. Compared to the penny less character with an overvalued BPO?

Besides you are trying to pass this as a collaterized loan at 9 Bil. If that was so, the chances are a MD regular would have picked it up. As such they would also have had their reputation smeared for a few Bil.
I think you are delusional if you think you are the one running the risk here.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-01-11 09:29:19 UTC
Bond filled

But thanks for the "good advice" and "kind words"
KSUDruid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-01-11 09:54:10 UTC
Lila Rodriquez wrote:
Mail sent


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Topic Forum name Date posted
Closed - Special Manufac... Market Discussions 2012.01.10 17:50

Sorry, but this smells like your alt Aine.

Originally I was interested in this different kind of bond, but as the details started to come through it became apperent all wasn't what was cracked up to be. Offering a BPO that was in no way able to be used as the collateral, instead he linked an auction that is completely a different type of missile (namely the T2 Mjolnir).

With a 2% ROI with an additional 200-300mill p/m for Aine's usage I started to grew suspicious of this bond and quickly withdrew my interest. Judging by the direction of this thread, I'm glad my common sense still prevails.

K

Aine Ni
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-01-11 13:54:42 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54613&find=unread


Mjolnir RAGE Torpedo sold 8.5 (Reseached)


Just wanted to show - seems I was SO way of Roll
Anyways - til next - fly safe Smile
KSUDruid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-01-11 14:14:21 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54613&find=unread


Mjolnir RAGE Torpedo sold 8.5 (Reseached)


Just wanted to show - seems I was SO way of Roll
Anyways - til next - fly safe Smile



Quote:
Re: Bond
From: Aine Ni
To: KSUDruid

I have an Inferno Rage Torpedo BPO - which I have seen these sold to up to 15b (T2 Torpedos)

ROI at 9.5b is 4 year (which seem to be a bit low)(and with my lazy workload)

I have 20b already - but could use more, as my market has started to move really quick

ROI on the bond is 2% (seems to going rate for collateral loans)


You may have seen other type of T2 missile BPO's reach that level, however yours does not compare...

Having not done your homework properly into the rates of a first time uncollaterized load i suspect this was a soddy attempt of a scam
Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#37 - 2012-01-11 14:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Freak Power
Aine Ni wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54613&find=unread


Mjolnir RAGE Torpedo sold 8.5 (Reseached)


Just wanted to show - seems I was SO way of Roll
Anyways - til next - fly safe Smile

But yours is not a Mjolnir Rage Torpedo BPO.

http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Mjolnir+Rage+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1

http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Inferno+Rage+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1

Even if yours was a Mjolnir Rage Torpedo BPO, instead of a less valuable BPO, it still would not be worth 9.5b and you still would not be able to secure a 10b loan with it.
Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#38 - 2012-01-11 15:11:27 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54613&find=unread

Mjolnir RAGE Torpedo sold 8.5 (Reseached)

Juggernaut Rage Torpedo - Kinetic damage (used vs Guristas, Sepentis & Mercenaries) - EVEEYE Annual ROI: 3,841m

Mjolnir Rage Torpedo - EM damage (used vs Sansha, Blood Raiders & Drones) - EVEEYE Annual ROI: 1,653m

Inferno Rage Torpedo - Thermal damage (used vs no pirate faction at all) - EVEEYE Annual ROI: 1,079m
Lila Rodriquez
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-02-28 14:34:03 UTC
Thanks for the deal, and the sell of the 5 BPOs. Looking forward to getting them all going Twisted

And good luck with your new business Bear
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-03-15 11:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Aine Ni
LOL - The one who laugh last ....


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77264&p=2

Seems I was SO FARE off


Guess I should have asked for 0.5b more from Lila Rodriquez Roll
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