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Another vain call to abolish CSM
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#41 - 2012-03-14 21:19:57 UTC
Things to look for in the winter release, because new CSM won't have much time to impact the summer release

1. T2 production removed from high sec
2. All ice mining removed from high sec
3. Significant reduction on high sec incursion and mission ISK generation capabilities
4. Wormhole ABC ores removed
5. More changes to wh mechanics making it easier to attack/more difficult to defend wormhole pocket colonies
6. Improvements in high sec ganking capabilities

Bottom line, this CSM will be dominated even more by null sec power blocs, and just look at their track record

1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons
2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp
3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players)
4. Current CSM made comments months ago about wishing to remove ABC ores from wormhole pockets

This new crew will do everything they can to move CCP in the direction of making high sec/ wormhole life unpleasant
Their ultimate goal is to make high sec life not even not economically viable. It will take awhile, but the CSM will keep pushing that way

BTW, I voted for a candidate that I felt might champion the high sec lifestyle. And further, since I started playing in May 2008, I have spent over half my time living in wormholes, low and null sec.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-03-14 21:21:59 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
For those interested and thinking your overwhelmed by the volume of candidates or amount of debate.

There is a useful tool called Vote Match that can help to look at significant points and views the candidates may have.

You may still want to look at details further and ask specific questions of the candidates of course, but it may help as a tool to narrow down candidates to a shortlist to research.


That "tool" wasn't developed by a disinterested third party and its results are not to be trusted.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-03-14 21:23:50 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons
2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp
3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players)


None of these things have anything to do with the CSM. They are actions taken by individual corps or alliances.


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4. Current CSM made comments months ago about wishing to remove ABC ores from wormhole pockets


Go read the actual minutes. It was CCP who brought up the idea of removing ABC ores from wormholes. Not the CSM.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-03-14 21:28:28 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Bottom line, this CSM will be dominated even more by null sec power blocs, and just look at their track record

1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons
2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp
3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players)

In counter argument let's list all the in-game events created by highsec blocs

1.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#45 - 2012-03-14 21:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dinsdale Pirannha
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons
2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp
3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players)


None of these things have anything to do with the CSM. They are actions taken by individual corps or alliances.


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4. Current CSM made comments months ago about wishing to remove ABC ores from wormhole pockets


Go read the actual minutes. It was CCP who brought up the idea of removing ABC ores from wormholes. Not the CSM.


The leader of the goons who sanctioned at least 2 of these 3 high sec attacks is the same guy leading the current CSM and is expected to lead it again. Yet you expect anyone to believe that he will suddenly leave that anti-high sec attitude at the door when it comes to plotting the future of Eve. Suuuurrrrre....we all believe that.

As for the ABC ores in wormholes, I read the minutes and the myriad posts about it months ago. Does not matter how you want to spin it, null sec blocs want to weaken anything to do with wormhole groups, and this was one of the ways you/goons/CSM targeted wormhole groups.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#46 - 2012-03-14 21:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
1. High sec ice interdiction: Goons
2. Recent Hulkageddon: Primarily one Goon Corp
3. High Sec Incursion interdiction: Orchestrated by Darius III of Brick Squad and other null sec zealots (though I have no idea why they did, since most high sec incursion runners are alts of null sec players)


None of these things have anything to do with the CSM. They are actions taken by individual corps or alliances.


Quote:
4. Current CSM made comments months ago about wishing to remove ABC ores from wormhole pockets


Go read the actual minutes. It was CCP who brought up the idea of removing ABC ores from wormholes. Not the CSM.


The leader of the goons who sanctioned at least 2 of these 3 high sec attacks is the same guy leading the current CSM and is expected to lead it again. Yet you expect anyone to believe that he will suddenly leave that anti-high sec attitude at the door when it comes to plotting the future of Eve. Suuuurrrrre....we all believe that.

As for the ABC ores in wormholes, I read the minutes and the myriad posts about it months ago. Does not matter how you want to spin it, null sec blocs want to weaken anything to do with wormhole groups, and this was one of the ways you/goons/CSM targeted wormhole groups.


High-sec is a bloated joke and deserves to be targeted by everyone. As for wormholers?

Another way we target them is with our points, webs, drones, and guns. Everytime they plop out of the little mirrored ball and into our space. We also deliberately collapse their wormholes after a vigorous spanking.

What's your point, TBH?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#47 - 2012-03-14 21:56:51 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
As for wormholers?

Another way we target them is with our points, webs, drones, and guns. Everytime they plop out of the little mirrored ball and into our space. We also deliberately collapse their wormholes after a vigorous spanking.

What's your point, TBH?

Wow, does anyone get trapped on their side of the wormhole when it collapses?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#48 - 2012-03-14 22:00:57 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
As for wormholers?

Another way we target them is with our points, webs, drones, and guns. Everytime they plop out of the little mirrored ball and into our space. We also deliberately collapse their wormholes after a vigorous spanking.

What's your point, TBH?

Wow, does anyone get trapped on their side of the wormhole when it collapses?


Not usually, but once in a while. Talk about lulz...

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Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-03-15 03:44:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kai Tel
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Chairman For Life Mittani is laughing at you.


You know, I once had a piece of toast pop out that had a likeness of his face on it after buttering. I was tempted to E-Bay it, no lie bro.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-03-15 09:31:28 UTC
To add to some of the spectacular events surrounding Goon and/or affiliate claims.

Darth Gustav wrote:
Mittani is literally The Jesus.


I mean why wasn't this made apparent at the start of the campaign. I see this as a HUGE failing in Mittens marketing campaign for not mentioning this. Consider the millions of people who would flock to the game knowing the relevance of this fact. Roll

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-03-15 09:33:13 UTC
i don't believe that the mittani has ever referred to himself as "the jesus"

he has however referred to himself as a "fuckin wizard"

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-03-15 09:34:48 UTC
anyway let me summarize this thread

"abloobloobloo disband the CSM because they got CCP to look at my gamebreaking titan"

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-03-15 09:44:33 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:

I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.


Erm.... this is eve, it's all drama and politics. Your statement's a little like starting sim city and saying "I want to look at people walking around, not build a giant city"
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-03-15 09:53:54 UTC
If there will be no politics in sandbox game... who will want to play this game?

Its all about politics. Its all about building your empires. No one wants to play another generic mmo. Otherwise we would spend time on wow forums, not on eve forums.

So shut up and stop trying to limit and narrow this game to suit your preferences.

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#55 - 2012-03-15 10:35:12 UTC
Yes, I agree the CSM dosen't work and needs to be dealt with.

CCP will NOT fix this issue as it good PR for them.

It actually stirs up drama. This post is an excellent example.

Mittens, and his mindless drones/alts of said drones. Will bash every post like this, and dis-credit you.

So, as I see it, you have 2 options. 1, quit. 2, try to deal with it.

Personally, I believe GSF and CFC will **** up, it's just a matter of time. In all of human history it has happened countless of times. I know that all goons and friends are currently laughing at this. But once they pull their heads out of their asses and read a history book, they'll see I'm right. Hitler and WWII is the most recent example of this. "But that's real life and this is a videogame" Exactly, and it's happened before in this game, they've failed. It will happen again.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-03-15 11:23:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
For those interested and thinking your overwhelmed by the volume of candidates or amount of debate.

There is a useful tool called Vote Match that can help to look at significant points and views the candidates may have.

You may still want to look at details further and ask specific questions of the candidates of course, but it may help as a tool to narrow down candidates to a shortlist to research.


That "tool" wasn't developed by a disinterested third party and its results are not to be trusted.


Interesting, so why has Mittens adopted to take part in it then? Surely if he had any convictions he wouldn't be associated with the process if it was perceived as corrupt?

Dierdra Vaal wrote:
Please keep in mind that Vote Match! is only intended to point you in the direction of which candidates might be good matches for you. You should still try to get to know more about several of your highest matches by checking out their forums threads, websites or talking to them ingame before deciding who gets your vote :)


Dierdra Vaal wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Last time the phrasing of the questions left a lot to be desired. Some issues were impossible to agree with without saying you thought they were the most important thing while others you could just agree needed attention. If I were feeling uncharitable (as I was last year) I'd say that this was an attempt to skew people's decisions towards certain candidates. Have you fixed this?


I always try to make the statements as diverse and impartial as possible. I don't really know how candidates will vote so I don't see how I can try to skew people's decisions.

Additionally I posted requests for statements on both the official eve forums and failheap, and made the list based on that, the questions from last time and the CSM meeting minutes. I had my proposed 'final' list up for review on failheap for a while (I ended up changing some questions as a result of the feedback there). As such I feel I've gone sufficient lengths to ensure statements are as neutral as possible.

Also keep in mind that these statements exist to highlight the differences between candidates, not to give candidates a place to advertise their campaign positions. As such, some statements are intentionally designed to elicit polarised responses.



The person who runs the process ensures participation in the questions to derive the content. I'd suggest reading the various threads about vote match to see the encouragement to get the electorates views.

Also isnt it an equal opportunity for all candidates as to how it functions. Personally i think people are capable of recognising it as an aid in the process of narrowing down choices as opposed to an ultimate tool for voting discernment.

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-03-15 11:45:45 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:


CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.



CSM doesn't decide anything, they sit at the table representing us, a stakeholder. CCP runs things by them and they give opinions.

All the changes that the CSM brought about were chosen by players and voted on in these very forums. All the CSM did was finally bring it to CCP in an organised fashion.

The Current Titan changes are welcome by allot of people, although they seem to be a bit of a hack and not what people imagined, they're better than being blobbed by 50 of the buggers as EVE's answer to the 'IWIN' button.
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