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Will dust 514 players get in and stay in the aging MMO?
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Stetson Eagle
Paird Technology
#1 - 2012-03-14 21:40:43 UTC
When dust is released, there will probably be a player base spike of dusties willing to test the MMO. Will Eve, with the refined politics and culture, incaptivate the newcomers? Or will the skillpoint gap discourage the console players who want to start on the same line with others?

It is elementary that in order to prolong Eve, new players need to flow into the game as veterans are getting out. Currently the game feels to be polarizing into less players using more alt pilots. How will eve attract and keep new players? Could previously "young" players get dragged into the slow pace of Eve?

A new shard would practically kill the current tranquility and it would undermine the usage of PLEX. But is it the only option at some point? Will there be eve 2.0 - Another New Genesis? I for one would love a reset even if it would mean the new server lasts a few years only. All the friends of mine who would not join a MMO in progress would hop right in and start the race for the galaxy.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-03-14 23:46:03 UTC
dafuq ?
Ai Shun
#3 - 2012-03-14 23:50:59 UTC
Stetson Eagle wrote:
It is elementary that in order to prolong Eve, new players need to flow into the game as veterans are getting out.


CCP wrote:
The meeting ended with some fun data about subscribers – apparently if a user has been subscribed to EVE for three years or more, that user is very unlikely to leave EVE. EVE players are very loyal customers and the time has come for CCP to properly recognize this


Also, in general, fish don't climb trees. The odd one does though. I think.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-15 00:00:29 UTC
stealth console immaturity thread?
console players work to be the best, i been here since 09 or so, the skillpoint thing didn't bug me as much as the hurdles of getting in a decent corp when i was new.
back ground checks, questions, how many sps do you have, what do you want to do in eve? new people probably don't even know scamming is allowed in the game, heck some might not even know that if you die you lose your stuff.

anyways
my guess is many people will try it out, dust is basically free advertising. but i don't think it will be many in terms of amount of PS3's owned.
guessing TOPS 200k people will try eve because they saw dust ( assuming its good)
50k or so might sub for at least a month
10k of that will continue to play after.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#5 - 2012-03-15 00:23:01 UTC
Every MMO that has been released is aging by definition.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#6 - 2012-03-15 00:35:28 UTC
Skill point gap is a lie!

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Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#7 - 2012-03-15 00:46:43 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Stetson Eagle wrote:
It is elementary that in order to prolong Eve, new players need to flow into the game as veterans are getting out.


CCP wrote:
The meeting ended with some fun data about subscribers – apparently if a user has been subscribed to EVE for three years or more, that user is very unlikely to leave EVE. EVE players are very loyal customers and the time has come for CCP to properly recognize this


Also, in general, fish don't climb trees. The odd one does though. I think.


Case in point: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488193/The-fish-survive-months-tree.html
JamesCLK
#8 - 2012-03-15 01:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: JamesCLK
Obsidian Dagger wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Stetson Eagle wrote:
It is elementary that in order to prolong Eve, new players need to flow into the game as veterans are getting out.


CCP wrote:
The meeting ended with some fun data about subscribers – apparently if a user has been subscribed to EVE for three years or more, that user is very unlikely to leave EVE. EVE players are very loyal customers and the time has come for CCP to properly recognize this


Also, in general, fish don't climb trees. The odd one does though. I think.


Case in point: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488193/The-fish-survive-months-tree.html

Quote:

...snip...
Adaptable: The killifish can alter the way it breathes
...snip...
Although the cracks inside logs make a perfect hiding place, conditions can be cramped. The fish - which are usually fiercely territorial - are forced to curb their aggression.
...snip...


Guess it's official then; capsuleers are the killfish of MMO players - although the extent of "adaptable" can be questioned when change's ugly face pokes into existance on the horizon Blink

I suppose that makes hisec the inside of mangoove roots...
Glad I live in w-space Shocked


I think the real question, is whether we'll be getting much in terms of Dust-mite tears once we start the orbital bombardmints.
Twisted

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Ganagati
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-15 01:23:51 UTC
Dust will bring in FPS players. FPS players in EVE probably won't last long. This isn't newbie friendly, is extremely slow paced with no real control over the speed of progression of your character, is blob combat only where individual skill doesn't matter that much and has a very complicated control scheme. We'll end up seeing a spike of "dafuq is this?" messages on forums for a little while and then it'll go back to normal.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#10 - 2012-03-15 02:07:20 UTC
Ganagati wrote:
Dust will bring in FPS players. FPS players in EVE probably won't last long. This isn't newbie friendly, is extremely slow paced with no real control over the speed of progression of your character, is blob combat only where individual skill doesn't matter that much and has a very complicated control scheme. We'll end up seeing a spike of "dafuq is this?" messages on forums for a little while and then it'll go back to normal.


Somehow I have the feeling most Dust players will actually just be EVE players that happen to have a Playstation.

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Ai Shun
#11 - 2012-03-15 02:24:48 UTC
Obsidian Dagger wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Also, in general, fish don't climb trees. The odd one does though. I think.


Case in point: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488193/The-fish-survive-months-tree.html


Heh. Nice find. Glad I did the sane thing and give myself a loophole P
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#12 - 2012-03-15 02:36:26 UTC
As a free game, the population won't be clear.

Alot of it will rely on PUG mechanics. Console games work better if the people playing them can jump in to the thick of it on login.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-15 02:46:19 UTC
No matter what happens to DUST 514, whether it fails or succeeds, it will definitely increase people's awareness about the game.

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Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels
#14 - 2012-03-15 04:59:26 UTC
Ganagati wrote:
Dust will bring in FPS players. FPS players in EVE probably won't last long. This isn't newbie friendly, is extremely slow paced with no real control over the speed of progression of your character, is blob combat only where individual skill doesn't matter that much and has a very complicated control scheme. We'll end up seeing a spike of "dafuq is this?" messages on forums for a little while and then it'll go back to normal.
How long has it been since these forums were "normal"?
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#15 - 2012-03-15 06:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
Jet Aeon wrote:
How long has it been since these forums were "normal"?


Like never ? ShockedP

Dunno about you guys but I'm planning to buy a PS3 just for the DUST and well .... because I don't own a console or blue-ray player yet.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#16 - 2012-03-15 06:33:10 UTC
Stetson Eagle wrote:
When dust is released, there will probably be a player base spike of dusties willing to test the MMO. Will Eve, with the refined politics and culture, incaptivate the newcomers? Or will the skillpoint gap discourage the console players who want to start on the same line with others?

It is elementary that in order to prolong Eve, new players need to flow into the game as veterans are getting out. Currently the game feels to be polarizing into less players using more alt pilots. How will eve attract and keep new players? Could previously "young" players get dragged into the slow pace of Eve?

A new shard would practically kill the current tranquility and it would undermine the usage of PLEX. But is it the only option at some point? Will there be eve 2.0 - Another New Genesis? I for one would love a reset even if it would mean the new server lasts a few years only. All the friends of mine who would not join a MMO in progress would hop right in and start the race for the galaxy.


I do not see that new players have any problems to beat guys like you who have no clue how games work.

Example new shard does not change anything, same to players from current EVE would just rule in there too, knowledge is power not skill points.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-03-15 06:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
My crystal ball says that new players will be injected into the community as a result of Dust 514. It's a bit cloudy on how many and for how long however. If you cross my palm with ISK I will attempt to divine with improved concentration proportional to those contributions.

I won't generalise for the majority of players here, but I do find it amusing that some players want to kill off Dust before its even hit the shelves. Such wonderfull optimism and a view to actually invest some effort into potentially making it work and helping newer players with knowledge so as to enrich the EvE Universe overall.

Dust is pioneering stuff in terms of linking different MMO platforms together, as such I'm not naive that there may be problems to overcome or lessons to be learned from attempting such a project. Also people may have certain views as to what makes a successful FPS, which are also valid points to consider.

I don't want to chastise people for what might be rational restraint towards this development or simply being devils advocate towards a game they are passionate about as a result. My main point I wish to make however is wouldn't it be better to try and work towards and devote energies to try and make Dust a success so as to make the EvE experience even better for all concerned? Surely that would be a better investment of time than filling it under "bin" mentally beforehand?

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Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-03-15 07:25:08 UTC
" will the skillpoint gap discourage the console players who want to start on the same line with others?"

"to prolong Eve, new players need to flow into the game as veterans are getting out."



See how these kinda cancel eachother out completely?

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#19 - 2012-03-15 07:48:47 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:


Also, in general, fish don't climb trees. The odd one does though. I think.


You lie!
Alexei Orlov
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-03-15 07:55:25 UTC
Seems to me that CCP has presented DUST 514 as a new market, not really as a draw to get new people to play EVE proper.

That said, I would expect there to be some number of people trying out EVE due to their experience with DUST, but that seems very much to be incidental (though probably welcome.) Everything I've read from CCP indicates to me that they want DUST to stand on its own, but that the connection to a larger field (EVE) is to be a draw for players to DUST.

Upshot being we may see some new subcriptions due to DUST but the two games are polar opposites. The number of occasions where they will both appeal strongly to a given player seem few.
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