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0.0 Space up for grabs-GO GET IT NOW

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Plagis
Evian Industries
Reeloaded.
#1 - 2012-03-12 08:57:26 UTC
Well with the fall of Red Alliance( Relocation), Seems the regions of Insmother, Scalding Pass, Geminate, Detorid, and Wicked Creek are all up for grabs, Also seems as though many alliances have started claiming alot of territory for themselves, I'm excited to see who will come out on top of all these alliances, or whose just looking for 0.0 moon goo/PI. Also if you are new and beleive your selves to be a powerful alliance I'd suggest to start taking space lol. May the melting pot begin.

Go Get Some Free Space lol
Plagis
Evian Industries
Reeloaded.
#2 - 2012-03-12 09:02:47 UTC
Comment PLZ
Korg Leaf
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-12 09:25:50 UTC
Plagis wrote:
Comment PLZ


No.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-12 09:36:20 UTC
Plagis wrote:
Comment PLZ


Out of all those regions, only Geminate is worth fighting over.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#5 - 2012-03-12 12:31:08 UTC
The whole concept of 0.0 is build upon "boredom". (Blobs demand to wait ages to create a bigger blob. Shooting at structures is even more boring and finally timers everywhere to make sure that you get really bored if you still haven't got it.) So why bother going there at all?
AdamiaMaxima
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-12 13:04:07 UTC
Yeah, so small entities taking previous RA Space... Doubtful but sure if you can pull together a force of over 600 for each TZ there is feel free. im sure your new niegbours -A- and freinds wont mind you joining in.

-Adamia

You cant outrun death forever, but you sure can make the people trying to kill you work for it. 

WARBRO
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#7 - 2012-03-12 13:18:13 UTC
Plagis wrote:
Well with the fall of Red Alliance( Relocation), Seems the regions of Insmother, Scalding Pass, Geminate, Detorid, and Wicked Creek are all up for grabs, Also seems as though many alliances have started claiming alot of territory for themselves, I'm excited to see who will come out on top of all these alliances, or whose just looking for 0.0 moon goo/PI. Also if you are new and beleive your selves to be a powerful alliance I'd suggest to start taking space lol. May the melting pot begin.

Go Get Some Free Space lol



Wicked Creek, Scalding Pass and Geminate....space ghettos all of them space ghettos.
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-12 15:06:15 UTC
Plagis wrote:
Come to these regions and get shot by -A- while I LOL from fountain, this r awesome planz. Twisted


This was a bad post.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#9 - 2012-03-12 15:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
Plagis wrote:
Well with the fall of Red Alliance( Relocation), Seems the regions of Insmother, Scalding Pass, Geminate, Detorid, and Wicked Creek are all up for grabs, Also seems as though many alliances have started claiming alot of territory for themselves, I'm excited to see who will come out on top of all these alliances, or whose just looking for 0.0 moon goo/PI. Also if you are new and beleive your selves to be a powerful alliance I'd suggest to start taking space lol. May the melting pot begin.

Go Get Some Free Space lol


The little worms told me that FAIL is moving to Detorid and ROL is going to get Querious to rent to nubs and botters.

Querious is among the best nullsec areas in eve if you want good logistics to high-sec and you want to be left alone... but it sucks beyond comprehension if you want to get in a fight or roam around... at least now.

Krysis now owns the A2- station (took it over from Evoke a week or so ago). If an upstart alliance is interested in making a first foray into Nullsec then taking the A2- station from Krysis would be a good way to sharpen their teeth (and get a nice prize in the process). Also Krysis are feisty and reasonably competent (albeit a bit introverted) and they'll make either good blues if you can manage that or good reds to have in your space. At least *someone* in Querious is still willing to form up for fun.

Frankly, Krysis could use some reds so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they would agree to SELL the A2- station as long as you were willing to be red to them......

As for FAIL.... they go where -A- tells them to go. I would highly recommend roaming in FAIL space because their main FC (Archibald Hornby) is a off his game at the moment and the backup FC (EvilDead) is... well... you need to see it to believe it. see for yourself: http://fail.eve-kill.net/

Further,

I was in Geminate a week ago. It seems dead now. I guess Brick is taking a well deserved rest. Geminate is pretty fragmented between Brick, who control the front door, and several other alliances.

It's good space (worth fighting over) but nobody there is going to matter on the 0.0 policial map soon. Staging from Maila an upstart can make inroads into Br1ck space but those guys are battle hardened and competent, so it won't be easy. Best approach if you want to move in there is to ally with Brick and go after the UPS bot systems around AP9 and then push south. This isn't *easy* space. There will be lots of reds so It's not like Querious where you can move in because you want to be left alone. This is space that you will have to *take* and then grow a thick skin because there will be reds around every day. I think this could be the most intresting "available" 0.0 area right now for serious upstarts.

RMT Russian space is a bit difficult to grasp, tbh. What I do know from the times I've gone roaming out there (last time was 2 days ago) the entire area was full of bots. Even 2 days ago I was in the asss end of nowhere I cloaked up in a system and about 6 different bots signed on in exactly 10 minute intervals, landed in a pos and logged off again... over a period of about 2 hours while I scouted around for something "human" that I couldn't find.

Since CCP banned a lot of bots lately, one would expect the entire region to be empty but there is still more work to be done. Nevertheless don't think it's going to be a cake walk. If the RMT russians come, then they will come like a 10 ton hammer. Holding space there if you're not renting it, isn't going to be easy. After all the RMT russians aren't called the RMT russians for nothing. They want their rent and they won't take kindly to squatters.

T-
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#10 - 2012-03-13 02:01:57 UTC
Hmm free space with months of pos bashing to actually make use of it.

Or

Stay in Low sec undock and kill people.


Hmmm, Hard to pick it really is.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-03-13 02:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
sYnc Vir wrote:
Hmm free space with months of pos bashing to actually make use of it.


wat

what are you talking about?
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#12 - 2012-03-13 03:48:02 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Hmm free space with months of pos bashing to actually make use of it.


wat

what are you talking about?


Someone has been hiding under a rock for a few years apparently.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Brittany Harpoon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-14 01:42:46 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
[quote=Plagis]Well with the fall of Red Alliance( Relocation), Seems the regions of Insmother, Scalding Pass, Geminate, Detorid, and Wicked Creek are
Krysis now owns the A2- station (took it over from Evoke a week or so ago). If an upstart alliance is interested in making a first foray into Nullsec then taking the A2- station from Krysis would be a good way to sharpen their teeth (and get a nice prize in the process). Also Krysis are feisty and reasonably competent (albeit a bit introverted) and they'll make either good blues if you can manage that or good reds to have in your space. At least *someone* in Querious is still willing to form up for fun.
-


A2- was going to be handed over to fail or cascade, but with RA moving into delve it was cancelled.

Cascade quietly moved out all thier assets but still taking rent for the systems. Then abandoned the renters, cascade and krysis are moving up to curse to be closer to -a-, based out of Ad-hoc afik
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#14 - 2012-03-14 05:32:43 UTC
The impending change to drone bounties will cancel a lot of the DRF aka RMT coalition's love of the region. WHy? because its a lot easier to track ISK sellers who don't recycle ISK via minerals. Drone poo allows a handy fig leaf layer between the guys making the in-game value (in this case, mins) and those taking that and selling. This happens at the refinery door.

Remove drone poo, add bounties, and suddenly you need to actually transfer ISK off the bot toons (instead of haul out JF loads of poo/mins/450mm rails/UV L crystals), providing a cleaner evidence trail for the banhammer team.

Secondly, because people who don't speak Russian are more hapy with instant wallet gratification, the appeal of bot space...i mean drone space (same diff, really, its been bot v bot for years) has gone up; more people will want to move in to the arse end of space now it pays you shinies instead of abtruse nuggets of wtf.

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#15 - 2012-03-14 09:06:11 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
The impending change to drone bounties will cancel a lot of the DRF aka RMT coalition's love of the region. WHy? because its a lot easier to track ISK sellers who don't recycle ISK via minerals. Drone poo allows a handy fig leaf layer between the guys making the in-game value (in this case, mins) and those taking that and selling. This happens at the refinery door.

Remove drone poo, add bounties, and suddenly you need to actually transfer ISK off the bot toons (instead of haul out JF loads of poo/mins/450mm rails/UV L crystals), providing a cleaner evidence trail for the banhammer team.

Secondly, because people who don't speak Russian are more hapy with instant wallet gratification, the appeal of bot space...i mean drone space (same diff, really, its been bot v bot for years) has gone up; more people will want to move in to the arse end of space now it pays you shinies instead of abtruse nuggets of wtf.



I would have to agree with that.

What you'll see happening has already started. RA swung a deal with -A- to give them Detroid in exchange for Querious. Once the drone changes happen and CCP gets a little more practice swinging the ban-hammer there's going to be no reason to be hiding the bots in the asss end of nowhere and no easy way to white-wash the goods.

What I think is happening now is that RA realizes that they need to change the way they make their RMT income so its betting on a new horse, which is to rent Querious to upstarts.... and for that you need space on the door step of high-sec so logistics are easy and the space is easy to rent.

This move by RA may be, in fact, a direct indication that CCP's anti-bot measures are working.

T-
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-03-14 15:48:31 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
The impending change to drone bounties will cancel a lot of the DRF aka RMT coalition's love of the region. WHy? because its a lot easier to track ISK sellers who don't recycle ISK via minerals. Drone poo allows a handy fig leaf layer between the guys making the in-game value (in this case, mins) and those taking that and selling. This happens at the refinery door.

Remove drone poo, add bounties, and suddenly you need to actually transfer ISK off the bot toons (instead of haul out JF loads of poo/mins/450mm rails/UV L crystals), providing a cleaner evidence trail for the banhammer team.

Secondly, because people who don't speak Russian are more hapy with instant wallet gratification, the appeal of bot space...i mean drone space (same diff, really, its been bot v bot for years) has gone up; more people will want to move in to the arse end of space now it pays you shinies instead of abtruse nuggets of wtf.



I would have to agree with that.

What you'll see happening has already started. RA swung a deal with -A- to give them Detroid in exchange for Querious. Once the drone changes happen and CCP gets a little more practice swinging the ban-hammer there's going to be no reason to be hiding the bots in the asss end of nowhere and no easy way to white-wash the goods.

What I think is happening now is that RA realizes that they need to change the way they make their RMT income so its betting on a new horse, which is to rent Querious to upstarts.... and for that you need space on the door step of high-sec so logistics are easy and the space is easy to rent.

This move by RA may be, in fact, a direct indication that CCP's anti-bot measures are working.

T-


They made a deal to settle into space owned currently by FAIL and NEM without opposition from -A- and in exchange they save us from structure grinding all the space they left behind in Insmother, wicked and etc regions mentioned before. They didn't need to "give" Detorid, they are in no position to stop us. They left behind a crap load of structures and we would prefer to pew more instead of structure grind. They are the ones being granted space in Delve and Q. This is the only move RA can make other than death.

As a grunt I don't particularly like this deal but I can see the method behind the madness, a diminished RA in the deep south is still something we can shoot at, a dead RA has zero entertainment value. And should their heads grow big again we can just repeat what we did in Insmother which should provide some long term entertainment (for us) as well.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-14 20:24:23 UTC
Or I can stay in NPC null and not worry about logging in at certain times, often redundant politics, and having 1000 man blobs up my butt 24/7

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#18 - 2012-03-14 21:36:51 UTC
Calfis wrote:


This is the only move RA can make other than death.


Not sure I share your optimism but what you said is what I heard too, that -A- wanted the deal to avoid structure grinding. The reasons why you think RA agreed, I would be skeptical of accepting at face value. What the grunts are told is not always the way it went down behind closed doors.

Also, it's quite clear that -A- wasn't just a passive observer. They told FAIL to GTFO so that RA could have the space. FAIL leadership has been trying hard to sell this like it was some kind of actual plan but the fact is you screwed them.

Quote:

As a grunt I don't particularly like this deal but I can see the method behind the madness, a diminished RA in the deep south is still something we can shoot at, a dead RA has zero entertainment value. And should their heads grow big again we can just repeat what we did in Insmother which should provide some long term entertainment (for us) as well.


Well, i, for one, am glad that that someone is finally sticking it to them. You have my full support.

T-
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#19 - 2012-03-15 10:04:14 UTC
Brittany Harpoon wrote:


A2- was going to be handed over to fail or cascade, but with RA moving into delve it was cancelled.


I see.... that's a good showing of teamwork by Krysis. I don't know if I would be so forgiving of FAIL's mismanagement.

Quote:

Cascade quietly moved out all thier assets but still taking rent for the systems. Then abandoned the renters, cascade and krysis are moving up to curse to be closer to -a-, based out of Ad-hoc afik


Yeah. I heard FAIL left their renters twisting in the wind. I guess they were going for the last minute money-grab as they backed out.

Snuggling up with -A- isn't (IMHO) a good long term strategy for FAIL at this point. -A- swung a deal with RA behind Archie's back and then told him to GTFO and basically "reassigned" them to Detorid. I don't know if you've ever been out there or have lived out there but if EVE online had an anus then Detorid would be the smell that comes out of it. Logistics are mind numbingly complicated and if you say yes to that then your logistics chain will depend entirely on staying blue to -A- which means you don't have a negotiating position with them anymore.

Archie is trying to hold the can of worms together (which you have to respect) and sell this like it was some part of an actual plan but what really happened is that -A- said "bend over" ..... and you did.... and now that the deed is done, Archie is even trying to tell alliance mates that he liked it.

In fact, the time to go snuggle up with -A- in curse is long past. When I was part of FAIL I lobbied vigorously to do exactly that but that was before leadership arrogance lead to the burning of bridges that lead to FAIL basically voluntarily becoming pets of EVOKE in order to avoid a fight and to the current situation wherein the back-bone has turned to mush and nobody dares to say "enough is enough".

Basically Archie's testicles are in severe need of dropping.... and for *many* months he's been avoiding conflict when he should have entered negotiations with (a) a backbone (b) a best alternative for a negotiated solution (BANS) and (c) some kind of plan. As someone who ran a successful null-sec corp for years I can tell you that the biggest mistake a null-sec corp (or alliance) can make is getting bogged down in thinking they have something to lose. In null-sec, mobility is important, adaptation is important and negotiating skills are important. FAIL put itself on a dead end when they agreed to give alliance control to someone who finds all three of those core competencies difficult (or impossible).

.... as an aside to this I must say that I *like* Archie on a personal level and wish *soooo* much that he would have agreed to do what he's *really* good in, which is FC'ing fleets... and leave the rest of this **** to people who had the RL skills.... FAIL had so much potential and one of the biggest disappointments of my eve career is to see them living up to their name.... They deserved (and essentially are capable) of much more. ....

A la.... The only reasonable course of action for FAIL now if alliance leaders want to continute to deliver content, is to cut and run. -A- has to be told that they've gone too far and an alternative plan needs to be negotiated wherein FAIL keeps what they want to have in Querious and RA is allowed to move in to other areas so that reds are in close proximity. Sharing Q with reds is a good thing provided SOV does not become contested. RA needs time and opportunity to learn how to PVP conventional fleets and FAIL needs targets that can be attacked with success so that Evildead can learn what he has to learn without turning the killboard bright red every day.

T-
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-15 13:42:28 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
The impending change to drone bounties will cancel a lot of the DRF aka RMT coalition's love of the region. WHy? because its a lot easier to track ISK sellers who don't recycle ISK via minerals. Drone poo allows a handy fig leaf layer between the guys making the in-game value (in this case, mins) and those taking that and selling. This happens at the refinery door.

Remove drone poo, add bounties, and suddenly you need to actually transfer ISK off the bot toons (instead of haul out JF loads of poo/mins/450mm rails/UV L crystals), providing a cleaner evidence trail for the banhammer team.

Secondly, because people who don't speak Russian are more hapy with instant wallet gratification, the appeal of bot space...i mean drone space (same diff, really, its been bot v bot for years) has gone up; more people will want to move in to the arse end of space now it pays you shinies instead of abtruse nuggets of wtf.




Nailed that.

A lot of the drones has pretty decent true sec. There is just that little issue of either -A- or SOL taking issue with interlopers moving in with making the proper gestures.

P.S. NPC null isn't any real shield from blobby silliness, if you like undocking to bubbles and bait titans, that is one thing, but its far more dangerous than low sec for instance...... albeit with better rewards.
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