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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2011-09-23 10:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
This new experience your having, you know, communicating and get involved with the players on the forums, is good and a refreshing change from the years of silence. Be nice to see more of those blue and red icons on more posts however, see we dont bite, dont be shy, we welcome you into our family.

Keep it up...
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#2 - 2011-09-23 10:56:38 UTC
Chiming in for support. Keep it up Devs, the forum is your daily stop! Communication is like pussy, the more you get the more you want and the better life is.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#3 - 2011-09-23 11:33:01 UTC
communication about better communications of the failure to communicate. yeh there doing awesom, that blog is just full of so much communication its communicated well, i for one are looking forward to more communication about communication from ccp.


getting afew gm's on teh forums dosnt make things better, actually fixing the ******* game will do. something that is yet to be seen. or even communicated

OMG when can i get a pic here
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-09-23 11:35:54 UTC
I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what it says.
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#5 - 2011-09-23 11:37:30 UTC
Well obviously someone has pissed on CCP Navigator's cornflakes/meusli. 3 threads just bit the dust.Straight

Yeeee! 
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-09-23 11:38:59 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Well obviously someone has pissed on CCP Navigator's cornflakes/meusli. 3 threads just bit the dust.Straight


Three stupid threads.
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#7 - 2011-09-23 11:41:23 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Well obviously someone has pissed on CCP Navigator's cornflakes/meusli. 3 threads just bit the dust.Straight


Three stupid threads.

But they're the most fun. P

Yeeee! 
CCP Xhagen
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2011-09-23 11:44:59 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Well obviously someone has pissed on CCP Navigator's cornflakes/meusli. 3 threads just bit the dust.Straight

I just couldn't resist... he left it unguarded while he was getting his tea.

CCP Xhagen | Associate Producer | @strangelocation
CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2011-09-23 11:45:25 UTC
You can bet we will be keeping it up and we will bring you information on what is going on just whenever we can. I realize a lot of people are concerned that there are a lot of blue bars but not very much information. Like CCP Zulu states in his blog, we are changing a lot of cool stuff here in CCP and that is down to making sure we listen to you guys and aim towards providing you the best possible EVE experience.

The Community team, along with other developers and GM's, will be here on the forums reading your questions and trying to get answers to those we can. It is important to note that we cannot answer every question or spoil big announcements by posting too early.

So how are you all doing this fine Friday?
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-09-23 11:47:40 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:


So how are you all doing this fine Friday?



Fantastic. Tornado, when can I buy one?
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#11 - 2011-09-23 12:18:23 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
You can bet we will be keeping it up and we will bring you information on what is going on just whenever we can. I realize a lot of people are concerned that there are a lot of blue bars but not very much information. Like CCP Zulu states in his blog, we are changing a lot of cool stuff here in CCP and that is down to making sure we listen to you guys and aim towards providing you the best possible EVE experience.

The Community team, along with other developers and GM's, will be here on the forums reading your questions and trying to get answers to those we can. It is important to note that we cannot answer every question or spoil big announcements by posting too early.

So how are you all doing this fine Friday?


my concerns arnt about teh blue bars, its about the lack of actual information, your not even talking to the csm about your blogs.
so what are these changes? thats what we want to know, not watch this space. details are what is needed.
if i had a euro for everytime one of you guys posted soon or it will be awesom, id be rich but we still would have a broken game

OMG when can i get a pic here
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#12 - 2011-09-23 12:33:31 UTC
CCP Navigator - Please unlock the three most recently locked threads and move them to other forums sections, at least ?

Seeing as you are reading this particular thread.....

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-09-23 12:39:53 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:

So how are you all doing this fine Friday?

Fantastically Fabulous, since it *is* a Friday.

Also, I will echo the sentiment that it is great to see devs posting a lot, and giving what (little) info they can.
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#14 - 2011-09-23 12:40:37 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
CCP Navigator - Please unlock the three most recently locked threads and move them to other forums sections, at least ?

Seeing as you are reading this particular thread.....


While he eats his urine soaked cereal...Blink

Yeeee! 
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2011-09-23 12:40:41 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
It is important to note that we cannot answer every question or spoil big announcements by posting too early.

So how are you all doing this fine Friday?


Please by all means, spoil some surprises!

We are watching this space this friday

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#16 - 2011-09-23 12:51:29 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
my concerns arnt about teh blue bars, its about the lack of actual information, your not even talking to the csm about your blogs.
so what are these changes? thats what we want to know, not watch this space. details are what is needed.
if i had a euro for everytime one of you guys posted soon or it will be awesom, id be rich but we still would have a broken game


Talk is cheap as promises, by their nature, do not actually deliver anything of value, they only create expectation of valuable delivery. Actual work has to be done to provide worth. But interactive communication is the path to a better community as well as a better EVE. There cannot be much meaningful communications between on us an issue we do not give you information on.

It is rather hard for us to juggle those two sides of disclosure at the moment. Say too much too early and we cannot deliver everything we promise, at least not at the time promised, if we run into unforeseen issues. Say too little and we look like we're hiding something or that we're trying to bury issues and discussions as well as it robs us of valuable time to react to community input. I'm not sure if there's a proper way of going about this but that's cool: I'm a programmer, my job is the database.

As for my code-monkey opinion: I hope we're not going to start promising anything until we know what we're delivering or at least that we take it slow and don't promise the world to start with and then start cutting corners. I am confident that I am both not the only one of that opinion nor is that the only opinion. I'm also confident that there are people of vehemently disagree with me but that's bound to happen whenever I post on these forums.

In closing I'd like to wish my coworkers that actually have to solve this conundrum the best of luck.
But I'm going to continue posting here in any topic I can contribute to as a person and/or a CCP programmer. Blink

CCP Prism X

Programmer on Team Gridlock & Expert Ranter
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#17 - 2011-09-23 12:59:42 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
my concerns arnt about teh blue bars, its about the lack of actual information, your not even talking to the csm about your blogs.
so what are these changes? thats what we want to know, not watch this space. details are what is needed.
if i had a euro for everytime one of you guys posted soon or it will be awesom, id be rich but we still would have a broken game


Talk is cheap as promises, by their nature, do not actually deliver anything of value, they only create expectation of valuable delivery. Actual work has to be done to provide worth. But interactive communication is the path to a better community as well as a better EVE. There cannot be much meaningful communications between on us an issue we do not give you information on.

It is rather hard for us to juggle those two sides of disclosure at the moment. Say too much too early and we cannot deliver everything we promise, at least not at the time promised, if we run into unforeseen issues. Say too little and we look like we're hiding something or that we're trying to bury issues and discussions as well as it robs us of valuable time to react to community input. I'm not sure if there's a proper way of going about this but that's cool: I'm a programmer, my job is the database.

As for my code-monkey opinion: I hope we're not going to start promising anything until we know what we're delivering or at least that we take it slow and don't promise the world to start with and then start cutting corners. I am confident that I am both not the only one of that opinion nor is that the only opinion. I'm also confident that there are people of vehemently disagree with me but that's bound to happen whenever I post on these forums.

In closing I'd like to wish my coworkers that actually have to solve this conundrum the best of luck.
But I'm going to continue posting here in any topic I can contribute to as a person and/or a CCP programmer. Blink


thanks for a straight view point. can i get my euro for each past promise now? pls

its the end of september, expansion is what 3 montsh away. and not knowing what you can for sure produce in that time is a worry, but its a side worry really. my biggest worry is the state of the game currently. pos's, corp interface/roles, sov, scaps, etc etc etc. to many of my eve friends have left, i worry more will leave or worst still the ones that have left wont come back.

what ever you have up your sleeve, it better be ******* AWESOM

OMG when can i get a pic here
Justified Cause
IDK THIS CORP
#18 - 2011-09-23 13:01:34 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
You can bet we will be keeping it up and we will bring you information on what is going on just whenever we can. I realize a lot of people are concerned that there are a lot of blue bars but not very much information. Like CCP Zulu states in his blog, we are changing a lot of cool stuff here in CCP and that is down to making sure we listen to you guys and aim towards providing you the best possible EVE experience.

The Community team, along with other developers and GM's, will be here on the forums reading your questions and trying to get answers to those we can. It is important to note that we cannot answer every question or spoil big announcements by posting too early.

So how are you all doing this fine Friday?


Horrible... Horrible.... Horrible Hangover, Note to self: Drinking on a Thursday before work is not an excellent idea.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#19 - 2011-09-23 13:05:11 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
my concerns arnt about teh blue bars, its about the lack of actual information, your not even talking to the csm about your blogs.
so what are these changes? thats what we want to know, not watch this space. details are what is needed.
if i had a euro for everytime one of you guys posted soon or it will be awesom, id be rich but we still would have a broken game


Talk is cheap as promises, by their nature, do not actually deliver anything of value, they only create expectation of valuable delivery. Actual work has to be done to provide worth. But interactive communication is the path to a better community as well as a better EVE. There cannot be much meaningful communications between on us an issue we do not give you information on.

It is rather hard for us to juggle those two sides of disclosure at the moment. Say too much too early and we cannot deliver everything we promise, at least not at the time promised, if we run into unforeseen issues. Say too little and we look like we're hiding something or that we're trying to bury issues and discussions as well as it robs us of valuable time to react to community input. I'm not sure if there's a proper way of going about this but that's cool: I'm a programmer, my job is the database.

As for my code-monkey opinion: I hope we're not going to start promising anything until we know what we're delivering or at least that we take it slow and don't promise the world to start with and then start cutting corners. I am confident that I am both not the only one of that opinion nor is that the only opinion. I'm also confident that there are people of vehemently disagree with me but that's bound to happen whenever I post on these forums.

In closing I'd like to wish my coworkers that actually have to solve this conundrum the best of luck.
But I'm going to continue posting here in any topic I can contribute to as a person and/or a CCP programmer. Blink



And what is the problem with failing to deliver something you have talked about? You're going to get hell from some (read, a lot of people) but its not something your playerbase is unfamiliar with.

I'd rather have you failing to deliver promised content like "Dominion II" then have you deliver something which was not discussed with your playerbase like the $80 monocle, new turret icons, removal of ship-spinning, and other ideas that would have been shot down in a ball-o-fire if talked about. Now CCP has to spend resources rectifying most of that.


Want an example? The new overview icons. You proposed them, we saw them, they sucked, you scraped them.


I understand that some things might still be at the planning stage and you haven't showed these things to tech people like Prism X to know if they are doable or not. But as soon as you get the "Yeah, we can do it" you should talk about it BEFORE commiting resources to actually getting it done.


It IS as simple as that.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-09-23 13:05:20 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
my concerns arnt about teh blue bars, its about the lack of actual information, your not even talking to the csm about your blogs.
so what are these changes? thats what we want to know, not watch this space. details are what is needed.
if i had a euro for everytime one of you guys posted soon or it will be awesom, id be rich but we still would have a broken game


Talk is cheap as promises, by their nature, do not actually deliver anything of value, they only create expectation of valuable delivery. Actual work has to be done to provide worth. But interactive communication is the path to a better community as well as a better EVE. There cannot be much meaningful communications between on us an issue we do not give you information on.

It is rather hard for us to juggle those two sides of disclosure at the moment. Say too much too early and we cannot deliver everything we promise, at least not at the time promised, if we run into unforeseen issues. Say too little and we look like we're hiding something or that we're trying to bury issues and discussions as well as it robs us of valuable time to react to community input. I'm not sure if there's a proper way of going about this but that's cool: I'm a programmer, my job is the database.

As for my code-monkey opinion: I hope we're not going to start promising anything until we know what we're delivering or at least that we take it slow and don't promise the world to start with and then start cutting corners. I am confident that I am both not the only one of that opinion nor is that the only opinion. I'm also confident that there are people of vehemently disagree with me but that's bound to happen whenever I post on these forums.

In closing I'd like to wish my coworkers that actually have to solve this conundrum the best of luck.
But I'm going to continue posting here in any topic I can contribute to as a person and/or a CCP programmer. Blink


Excellent feedback.

Its really a debate between "Under Promise and Over Deliver" or "Over Promise and Under Deliver". As PrismX said, they both have their drawbacks, and with how the EVE community is (well, the forum community is mostly whining and complaining, interspersed with some intelligent sane thoughts), you're kinda screwed both ways from CCP's perspective.
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