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Gank-proof ship to transport low-volume, high-value goods in empire space?
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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-14 16:14:57 UTC
Is such a ship and/or fitting possible? I'm not really experienced with PVP or ganking so am in dire need of directions as to what ship and fittings I should train for. My PVE alt can fly Gallente battleships. Should I go for tanking ability or stealth? etc etc etc. Any thoughts appreciated. :)
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#2 - 2012-03-14 16:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
In short, no.

Best reasonable option is possibly covops cloaked Slaved buffer proteus. Mostly the being not-afk and cov ops cloaked will save you. After that it's using insta-undock/warp bookmarks. And a scout ahead to see Tornado/whatever gank gangs.
Trask II
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-14 16:22:43 UTC
There's no such thing as "gank-proof". The only real defense you have against it is a cloaky transport for medium-sized loads, or a tanked frigate that insta-warps for small loads. If they don't have time to scan you, they don't know if you're carrying anything decent. Also, if you autopilot everywhere, that pretty much negates any other defenses you could have. Even if you ubertank your ship, they will just bring more stuff to kill you if your load is worth it.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2012-03-14 16:22:57 UTC
There's no such thing as gank-proof.

However, if you want to have the highest chance of your cargo surviving there are a couple different approaches.

If you're willing to pay attention to your ship (warp to 0 each jump, cloak up as you enter the system, etc), then either a CovOps or Blockade Runner will work fine (which one you need depends on the volume of cargo you need to move). The ships still aren't tanked much at all, but it's hard for someone to kill you if they can't see you more than half a second at a time.

The less effort intensive method would be to get an Orca and use the corp hanger. Stuff in the corp hanger can't be scanned, so no one knows that you're carrying anything, and nothing drops from it, so they don't benefit if they do kill you. And the Orca can have some sizable EHP too. This won't save you if someone really wants you dead, but it will make you a less desirable target (especially if the gankers wouldn't profit from the venture). Warping to 0 is still recommended though, as with everything.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-14 16:24:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Go for stealth - especially if in empire space you include lowsec (which is technically empire space you know).

Don't go AFK.

You won't be gank proof, but definitely hard to gank. Avoid doing silly things (i.e. hanging around at Jita 4-4 undock) and you'll be fine.

A definitive answer will depend on how much value and how much volume. Covops frigs are nice for moving things around but you don't want to hit a disco BS at a gate...
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#6 - 2012-03-14 16:46:32 UTC
Low volume, hi-tank... Fly a well fitted HIC. Sure the cargo hold is not large. Still the knuckle or broadsword can top 100k ehp. Plus, most people don't think of scanning a random HIC flying by.

Heck, anything under a billion isk, fly a freighter. Usually if you do not have that high value, you are left alone because it costs to much to pop you.

Also, far more important, know your route. There are systems where gankers ike to camp, avoid those systems.
Billy Kidd
Breaking Plaid
#7 - 2012-03-14 17:23:09 UTC
The best way to transport high-value goods is by carrying them in the corporate hangar array of an orca. Items in the corp hangar will never show up on cargo scans, and will never drop upon ship destruction. No sane suicide ganker would blow you up since they would only lose money in the process. As for the insane ones, well, there's not much you can do about those.
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-14 17:32:14 UTC
I second the Orca for small loads. Fit it for EHP and it becomes a very expensive ship to gank. It has ~40% more hp then T1 freighters and they don't know what your carrying inside the bays.
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-14 18:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Keras Authion
Orca is the best choice for carrying the high value items. It can get 230k+ ehp and has an unscannable corp hangar. This is the ship you want to get if you carry valuable goods regularily. Here's a fit for that. You will want the MWD to get your align time to 10s:

[Orca, Secure Hauler /w MWD & cloak]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I

Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

For an easier to train and more affordable ship you could use a double-buffered rokh. Obviously you shouldn't carry anything too valuable in it but even with low skills you should be able to get it into 180k (charon) range easily, and with all level V to 230k. This is for high sec use only. Here's a fit:

[Rokh, Courier]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge
Electron Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5

Edit: Loading from the draft ate the last I's from some modules. Tech 2 is better :)

This post was rated "C" for capsuleer.
Bashe Zor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-14 18:10:02 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Is such a ship and/or fitting possible? I'm not really experienced with PVP or ganking so am in dire need of directions as to what ship and fittings I should train for. My PVE alt can fly Gallente battleships. Should I go for tanking ability or stealth? etc etc etc. Any thoughts appreciated. :)


Low volume high value: use a can inside an AF, tank it a little and fly manually. Unless you're well-known for hauling expensive stuff it is very unlikely you'll be attacked, and even then; an assault frig is a very hard nut to crack.
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#11 - 2012-03-14 18:24:33 UTC
a t3 with covert ops and a interdictor subsystem with warp core stabs in the lows is probably what you are looking for.
Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
#12 - 2012-03-14 18:37:27 UTC
How low volume? If your moving stuff that hardly takes space, like implants and BPs, use a ceptor. You'll warp before they can even scan you. If you moving a larger amount of stuff then ya, get an orca, the unscannable bay is great.
Dodona
The Guardian Knights
#13 - 2012-03-14 18:56:00 UTC
Kolya Medz wrote:
How low volume? If your moving stuff that hardly takes space, like implants and BPs, use a ceptor. You'll warp before they can even scan you. If you moving a larger amount of stuff then ya, get an orca, the unscannable bay is great.


Never fly valuables in anything that will die to smartbombs.
MacrossGalaxy
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-03-14 19:09:17 UTC
Dodona wrote:
Kolya Medz wrote:
How low volume? If your moving stuff that hardly takes space, like implants and BPs, use a ceptor. You'll warp before they can even scan you. If you moving a larger amount of stuff then ya, get an orca, the unscannable bay is great.


Never fly valuables in anything that will die to smartbombs.



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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-03-14 19:12:32 UTC
Orca cargo bay #1 option where what's in your bay must not be scanned
Unscannable and six-digit EHP with a DCU II + reinforced bulkheads
After that a heavily tanked DST

Then move to a less populated system and switch to a cloaky hauler where the threat of being instaganked on station isn't as bad (cloaky haulers can't cloak while undocking and aligning from a station, making them very vulnerable).
Adacia Calla
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-03-14 19:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Adacia Calla
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Is such a ship and/or fitting possible? I'm not really experienced with PVP or ganking so am in dire need of directions as to what ship and fittings I should train for. My PVE alt can fly Gallente battleships. Should I go for tanking ability or stealth? etc etc etc. Any thoughts appreciated. :)


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Really depends on the amount of cargo you need. In the years I've been flying my Prowler, I've never had a problem with gate camps, especially those idiots that use EM smartbombs, which the Prowler has particularly good resistance to

Another option is a T3 cruiser, preferably a Loki or Tengu due to better shield resist modules etc and just load the lows with Cargo Expanders if need be. That fit holds 1206m3 of cargo, can switch up the rigs/lows if you don't need as much cargo, but it's worked for me running 0.0 and WH camps.

[Loki, Cargo
Expanded Cargohold I
Expanded Cargohold I
Expanded Cargohold I
Expanded Cargohold I

Large Shield Extender I
Large Shield Extender I
Large Shield Extender I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Explosion Dampening Amplifier I
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device I
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP

Medium Cargohold Optimization
Medium Cargohold Optimization
Medium Cargohold Optimization

Loki Defensive - Amplification Nod
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyze
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matri
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguratio
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifie

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-14 21:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Rath Kelbore
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Is such a ship and/or fitting possible? I'm not really experienced with PVP or ganking so am in dire need of directions as to what ship and fittings I should train for. My PVE alt can fly Gallente battleships. Should I go for tanking ability or stealth? etc etc etc. Any thoughts appreciated. :)


Most cost effective would be a blockade runner I would think. Viator for gallnte i believe?

In empire space it would be very difficult to get ganked while in a cov ops cloaked ship of any kind. Just don't autopilot or anything stupid and make sure you're cloaking immediately.

It would take some very determined people and a very predictable routine on your part to end up ganked in that situation.

This applies to high sec of course. In null sec you'd be better off with a T3.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#18 - 2012-03-14 21:22:26 UTC
As repeated many many times, there is no suck thing as gank proof. All you can do is take steps ti minimize your exposure.

Rule #1 - Have an off grid instant undock, preferably by a few thousand KM as gankers will often have off grid gank ships as well. This applies to any station you undock from on a regular basis IMO. Undocking is when you are the must vulnerable and why people camp the F out of Jita 4 4 undock.

Rule #2 - Your destination station, you should have a bookmark well within docking range. Warp-2-Zero isn't always zero and can leave you a little bit of time before the ship docks. Sometimes that is all it takes

Rule #3 - Covert Ops or Ceptors fitting for AGI are your best bets. At gates you will have less than two seconds of exposure.

Rule #3.5 - If you want max defenses, a HIC/HAC are your best bets. Scorpians can work well too. They must agress you, you can jam them, just don't use Burst, that will get you a Concordukken.
WARBRO
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#19 - 2012-03-14 22:25:51 UTC
Carrier would be best...if planned right.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#20 - 2012-03-15 00:26:20 UTC
Dodona wrote:
Kolya Medz wrote:
How low volume? If your moving stuff that hardly takes space, like implants and BPs, use a ceptor. You'll warp before they can even scan you. If you moving a larger amount of stuff then ya, get an orca, the unscannable bay is great.


Never fly valuables in anything that will die to smartbombs.


High-sec suicide gankers generally don't use smartbombs.Roll

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