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Omega Flames

Caldari Provisions

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#41 - 2012-03-14 18:30:43 UTC

Karn Dulake wrote:

Why is it that everyone in this game is either a CEO or a software expert in something.

no one is a lonely neckbeard pretending to be what they are not

my thoughts and **** you OP never drop character

If you are talking to me then I would like to point out that I NEVER said I was a lawyer and it fact said that I consulted a lawyer to find out the points I gave. You are welcome to consult your own lawyer if you think I'm pretending something. 100 mil isk says you won't be bothered to do so.

Macon Chalaise

VNM Biological Survey Corps

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#42 - 2012-03-14 18:55:13 UTC

Omega Flames wrote:

Karn Dulake wrote:

I think you need a new lawyer. Pirate

Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast

Macon Chalaise

VNM Biological Survey Corps

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#43 - 2012-03-14 19:29:41 UTC | Edited by: Macon Chalaise

This,

Omega Flames wrote:

1. freedom of speech still applies in a virtual world WHEN that virtual world is ran by a company located in a country that has freedom of speech. CCP owns an office in Atlanta, Ga so may easily be bound by USA laws too not just Icelandic ones.

Seems to indicate that you do NOT know if you have a viable case in the first place making this,

Omega Flames wrote:

I may win, i may not, but considering the case would realistically go all the way to the supreme court before being done with and I'm sure CCP will pay the money to go that far I would have to be willing to do the same.

wishful thinking at best...

If a lawyer thought this was a chance at a landmark "Free Speech" case I am sure there would be one interested in picking it up pro bono just to get it on their resume, especially if a follow up civil court payout could be arranged. It would seem they do not feel nearly as strongly as you do that your rights have been violated or at least not that it can be proven. The word "may" certainly indicates this if that was what the lawyer said in which they would want you to pay them up front.

Again, MMOs are NOT havens for free speech. Companies like Blizzard and Bioware, both of whom are based in the US, do indeed censor their forums in a manner consonant with stifling free speech.

Sidebar: The forefathers of the USA did NOT have free speech for everyone in mind when they originally formed their ideas, in fact they mostly just wanted to make sure people could publicly debate but they wrote it how they wrote it and so we have the additional freedoms and burdens that "free speech" entails. "Free Speech" is not so free in this country but look at how the freedoms we DO enjoy are mocked and abused by trolls who shout "god hates fags" at military funerals?

As a citizen and a veteran I DO support their right to express their opinion, but I do NOT support their right to inflict it on other people.

Sorry, no haven of free speech to be found here.

Since you brought these up I will ask you again because I am interested,

1.) What did the lawyer tell you was the specific legal basis for your suit, (so far "may" makes it sound like there is not much of one)

and,

2.) What were the words the GM wanted you to take down?

This IS in the interests of free speech which is clearly important to you because you feel your rights were violated, yes?

What actually happened? Pirate

Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast

Omega Flames

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#44 - 2012-03-14 19:40:00 UTC | Edited by: Omega Flames

Macon Chalaise wrote:

1.) What did the lawyer tell you was the specific legal basis for your suit, (so far "may" makes it sound like there is not much of one)

It's a consult no lawyer (who cares about his reputation) is going to assure me, you, or anyone else anything without putting effort (which costs money) into the case. It's a may because without researching if they are even incorporated in the USA he doesn't know how much liabilty they would have and he isnt going to research anything without money

Quote:

2.) What were the words the GM wanted you to take down?

This IS in the interests of free speech which is clearly important to you because you feel your rights were violated, yes?

Repeating the words here would only lead to someone petitioning and a GM intervening...duh?

Omega Flames

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#45 - 2012-03-14 19:57:39 UTC

Macon Chalaise wrote:

Omega Flames wrote:

Karn Dulake wrote:

I think you need a new lawyer. Pirate

And I think I'm going to trust the opinion of the guy who makes a living doing law and not the random person on a forum.

Macon Chalaise

VNM Biological Survey Corps

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#46 - 2012-03-16 18:25:40 UTC | Edited by: Macon Chalaise

Omega Flames wrote:

Macon Chalaise wrote:

1.) What did the lawyer tell you was the specific legal basis for your suit, (so far "may" makes it sound like there is not much of one)

Quote:

2.) What were the words the GM wanted you to take down?

This IS in the interests of free speech which is clearly important to you because you feel your rights were violated, yes?

Repeating the words here would only lead to someone petitioning and a GM intervening...duh?

Surely a mere snippet of what you said could help us understand how your rights were violated so egregiously without getting you in serious trouble since you would be quoting yourself and not actually saying whatever it was you said. You could even paraphrase to reduce the impact and say "it went sort of like this." Since YOU brought it up, I was genuinely interested in what you said and CCP did to get you the legal slam dunk you mention here:

Omega Flames wrote:

A GM once forced me to edit certain words out of my bio. I contacted a lawyer in the USA and even thou I live extremely close to their Atlanta office it would still cost me a few hundred dollars to sue them for violating my freedom of speech rights. I might get that money back when I win the case but I simply don't have the cash to take that risk. The law is on my side but at the end of the day money talks more than civil law does.

For your consideration, you remark on "when I win the case" and you furthermore assert that "the law is on my side."

These both appear to be expert legal opinions so I was simply wondering at how you came to these conclusions.

A few hundred dollars against your free speech rights? That's one of the most important things you could possibly spend a few hundred dollars on besides food. You said you might get it back when you win your case, because the law is on your side. I should hope that at the conclusion of a successful free speech suit, a jury would pass on your court costs to the defendant.

Even if you somehow didn't recover your costs, what is a few hundred dollars against your right to free speech?

Omega Flames wrote:

"I may win, I may not" is certainly somewhat accurate and you also acknowledge your costs would continue to mount.

"Would realistically go all the way to the supreme court" seems to follow in the same wishful vein of "when" you win and "the law is on your side", however.

It seems far more likely that what really happened is that you consulted a lawyer who, instead of telling you anything remotely resembling the above sentence, told you they didn't think you had a case but, if you wanted to pay them a few hundred dollars they would look into it for you and you declined to pay.

I really was interested in what happened and what they told you, but it appears you probably didn't and don't have a case.

Please don't bring it up if you aren't willing to discuss it and please be sure to accurately communicate what actually happened rather than post contradictory statements that have to be sorted out, yes? Big smile

Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast

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