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Another vain call to abolish CSM
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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#1 - 2012-03-14 16:18:21 UTC
CSM has made it clear that it is a large contributor to the problems with Eve, and the structure of an election by players is slanted toward older players from big player blocks in an obvious way. I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.

CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.

I don't care whether CCP replaces CSM with something else or not. I'd recommend a board made up of people who tried the game and left it after a few months. They might be able to help guide the game in a healthy direction. As it is, CSM is dominated by people who want more of the same or who want the game to favor their empires and their styles of play.

Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#2 - 2012-03-14 16:23:19 UTC
Don't forget to vote for your favorite representative in CSM 7!

Just follow the handy link below in my signature.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Ghoest
#3 - 2012-03-14 16:25:55 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
CSM has made it clear that it is a large contributor to the problems with Eve, and the structure of an election by players is slanted toward older players from big player blocks in an obvious way. I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.

CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.

I don't care whether CCP replaces CSM with something else or not. I'd recommend a board made up of people who tried the game and left it after a few months. They might be able to help guide the game in a healthy direction. As it is, CSM is dominated by people who want more of the same or who want the game to favor their empires and their styles of play.

Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,


1 You are right that the CSM needs to go. However CCP doesnt get it.

2 Your whines about politically correct speech are pathetic.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-14 16:26:49 UTC
So you want WoW players to make suggestions to CCP?

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-14 16:27:08 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
CSM has made it clear that it is a large contributor to the problems with Eve, and the structure of an election by players is slanted toward older players from big player blocks in an obvious way. I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.

CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.

I don't care whether CCP replaces CSM with something else or not. I'd recommend a board made up of people who tried the game and left it after a few months. They might be able to help guide the game in a healthy direction. As it is, CSM is dominated by people who want more of the same or who want the game to favor their empires and their styles of play.

Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,

Oh, it's a brilliant idea, to leave decisions of the direction game takes to people who never really played it and aren't playing it.
You'll never be in CSM, not because nobody knows you butbecause you have ideas like these.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#6 - 2012-03-14 16:39:15 UTC
-Most of the time, we didn't want them anyway. Rarely is is a case of them just having not been introduced properly and shown the fun stuff to make them stay. Usually EVE simply doesn't work for them.

-Exactly why people elect the CSM in the first place, cause you might notice that a lot of them have a general feel of "let's not really change a whole lot, let's just fix things". A large majority of the player base wants EVE to stay the way it is in regards to rough world, scamming, lies, and unfair advantages.

-While it's agreed that we could use a more female player base it doesn't have to done by making this WoW in space. CCP's plan for this is Incarna (the full thing, not the fail last summer). Right now they're working on figuring out how to make WiS more connected and meaningful to the rest of EVE, and the CSM can help do that. Once it's out (and the missile effects, missile pods, and V3 projects are done) CCP can throw more art guys at making clothes and such. Shiny spaceships might lure them in but the social aspects and the fun with fashion will keep them here :P Hell, even after they added in full body preview you already have girls complimenting each other on how good their outfits look or how to make them better.
...
Oh and also hello kitty scorpions, might have to vote for T'Amber just for that one xD

-Mittens brought up a good point in one of the interviews I heard. The whole concept that any one CSM member has any sort of agenda to help themselves and/or their alliance over others is BS. Why? Cause any change they make to null and sov warfare effects everyone. There isn't any mechanic in EVE that could possibly be manipulated for a single group without it being very blatant in bold text and red letters in the patch notes saying "We gave goons free titans". If one group within a gameplay aspect benefits or loses, they all do. Pirates, Carebears, null-bears, WH Dwellers, etc etc etc...

The Drake is a Lie
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-14 17:03:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kai Tel
OP, believe it or not but I am actually convinced that CCP knows exactly how to spin the CSM to better the game rather than being led in the wrong directions by them. There is a reason they keep all the old meeting records in a locked bin no one ever looks at contrary to rumors of change. Really, they just need to learn to play it safe with their own internal corporate memos and documents...

The CSM is simply an extension of the EVE political meta-game used by CCP to create occasional positive spin amongst the player base. It’s a way of offering token appeasements and letting the player base feel involved in the game’s future while they chart their course as they dogged well please. I mean do you really think they censor the minutes just to protect trade secrets?

Pfft…

Look at what’s written in those minutes. It’s good double speak and publicity spin. I think it is brilliant and shows that CCP can be an innovative company. It gives us someone to cast stones at outside their walls and gives them a means of looking good "after a supposed change of heart after meeting with the community." The CSM should be retained.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-14 18:02:37 UTC
Chairman For Life Mittani is laughing at you.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-03-14 18:06:34 UTC
Enuen Ravenseye
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-14 18:14:09 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying.


Take all that away, and what the hell would be left???

All the stuff you mentioned is what keeps a lot of the current players around. Without the inherent drama, EVE would be be a boring grind-ridden MMO like all the others.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-14 18:17:24 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,


There are better options for finding a girlfriend online.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-03-14 18:19:20 UTC
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying.


Take all that away, and what the hell would be left???

All the stuff you mentioned is what keeps a lot of the current players around. Without the inherent drama, EVE would be be a boring grind-ridden MMO like all the others.


Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-03-14 18:27:01 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only.


Thankfully none of them are going to be elected.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-03-14 18:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only.


Thankfully none of them are going to be elected.


I actually see a number of good new candidates this year like Hans as an example that would offer a more balanced opinion to issues. That and I see a number of level headed members of the current CSM 6 capable of a better understanding of whats better for EvE in the main than Mittens blinkered approach to meta-win politics.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#15 - 2012-03-14 18:38:31 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only.


Thankfully none of them are going to be elected.


I actually see a number of good new candidates this year like Hans as an example that would offer a more balanced opinion to issues. That and I see a number of level headed members of the current CSM 6 capable of a better understanding of whats better for EvE in the main than Mittens blinkered approach to meta-win politics.


So you're saying you think Titans should be able to blap logi's and HICs?

Because that's what it sounds like you're ******* saying.

I don't think there's anything balanced about that.

But your random and wildly contradictory thoughts are duly noted.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-03-14 18:42:30 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only.


Thankfully none of them are going to be elected.


I actually see a number of good new candidates this year like Hans as an example that would offer a more balanced opinion to issues. That and I see a number of level headed members of the current CSM 6 capable of a better understanding of whats better for EvE in the main than Mittens blinkered approach to meta-win politics.


So you're saying you think Titans should be able to blap logi's and HICs?

Because that's what it sounds like you're ******* saying.

I don't think there's anything balanced about that.

But your random and wildly contradictory thoughts are duly noted.


There is more to EvE than just one issue. But i guess this is the kind of "blinkered" opposition we have come to expect.

Personally I'm not a Titan Pilot, and I see the issue surrounding the ploriferation of supercapitals as something that needs to be addressed before it gets out of hand of course. Wether the approach taken here to the null sec issues surrounding this is the best one I can't really judge. But there is more to EvE than just Titans even though it is topical.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#17 - 2012-03-14 18:45:24 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only.


Thankfully none of them are going to be elected.


I actually see a number of good new candidates this year like Hans as an example that would offer a more balanced opinion to issues. That and I see a number of level headed members of the current CSM 6 capable of a better understanding of whats better for EvE in the main than Mittens blinkered approach to meta-win politics.


So you're saying you think Titans should be able to blap logi's and HICs?

Because that's what it sounds like you're ******* saying.

I don't think there's anything balanced about that.

But your random and wildly contradictory thoughts are duly noted.


There is more to EvE than just one issue. But i guess this is the kind of "blinkered" opposition we have come to expect.

Personally I'm not a Titan Pilot, and I see the issue surrounding the ploriferation of supercapitals as something that needs to be addressed before it gets out of hand of course. Wether the approach taken here to the null sec issues surrounding this is the best one I can't really judge. But there is more to EvE than just Titans even though it is topical.


Your point. You don't have one.

I want to see examples, because you still aren't making any sense beyond terribly vague generality.

Name a position that Mittani has taken that isn't balanced...since you seem to know what issues we're talking about and I obviously don't.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lexmana
#18 - 2012-03-14 18:48:06 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.

Too bad then that electoral politics is part of the game you are playing. But it is not mandatory. You can always opt-out.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-03-14 18:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Darth Gustav wrote:


Your point. You don't have one.

I want to see examples, because you still aren't making any sense beyond terribly vague generality.

Name a position that Mittani has taken that isn't balanced...since you seem to know what issues we're talking about and I obviously don't.


Read my link blogged I provided it explains my stance as to why I have these opinions.

Otherwise there has been significant debate on various topics in the CSM forum surrounding this years elections which can be used to form an "informed" choice about candidates.

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It's just criminal - Smuggling
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-03-14 18:48:58 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
CSM has made it clear that it is a large contributor to the problems with Eve, and the structure of an election by players is slanted toward older players from big player blocks in an obvious way. I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.

CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.

I don't care whether CCP replaces CSM with something else or not. I'd recommend a board made up of people who tried the game and left it after a few months. They might be able to help guide the game in a healthy direction. As it is, CSM is dominated by people who want more of the same or who want the game to favor their empires and their styles of play.

Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,


Show me on the doll where CSM6 touched you.
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