EVE General Discussion

lol sorry, you are right.

And for what its worth, i think describing sov mechanics as "Half done" is absolutely spot on.

you seamed to have missed teh bit where i said its also a pain in the arse in empire also. tbh the whole system needs revamping. the interfaces is nightmare, why does it forget where i install my jobs every dam time i go to install a job. why cant i do batches? why on bpc copies do the option to copy come up?

the industry revamp needs to be the system, not where the industry is done

This graphic right here. This is the one that says it all, basically.

Lets study it.

Immediatly after Revelations I = Raise in numbers;
Immediatly after Revelations II = Raise in numbers;
Immediatly after Trinity = Raise in numbers;
Immediatly after Empyrean Age = Steady numbers;
Immediatly after Quantum Rise = Raise in numbers;
Immediatly after Apocrypha = BIG Raise in numbers;
Immediatly after Dominion = Raise in numbers;
Immediatly after Tyrannis = Raise in numbers;
Immediatly after Incursion = Raise in numbers;

That is FIVE years of successive raises after every SINGLE expansion.

Immediatly after Incarna = DROP in numbers.


So its the first time in EVE's life where the game had a massive LOSS of players immediatly after an expansion. And lets remember that this one expansion has been the one with the biggest *bling* and adversement.


I'm pretty much most people were able to read that information on that graphic.. but for those who haven't.... just putting it out there.

+1 to this.

Incarnia = SM3, which means any old PC with a crappy video card struggled to play it.

I don't think anyone is saying "Go out and spend at least $50 on a video card", but more of an update that should have happened years ago, and one that HAD to happen.

wasnt sm3 earlier in the year? and from the data ccp collected( they might have lied about it) wasnt it only a very small percentage that was effected anyhow?

I'm curious as to how you make this assertion? What familiarity do you have with CCP's processes and workflow to make such a statement? I ask because when I see generic statements like this, "It's easy!" or "It wouldn't take much!", they are generally very wrong. At the very least they don't take into account how CCP works as a company.



While the way you describe it (the three 'systems') would have next to zero to do with each other in the mechanic you describe, this was pretty much the way I (and many others) envisioned it evolving to. The issue isn't so much that the vision or the ideas aren't there, just that they've never been properly followed up on. Lo-sec is easily one of the most neglected areas of EVE.



If you're referring to me... I don't really have any 'personal' interests, at least in game. I've done pretty much everything and want the game to evolve so I can do more and have fun again. I want to see the game 'finished' in many areas and updated in others.

As for the rest of the CSM, while everyone has their own perceptions of what should happen with certain game mechanics, all of us have been playing long enough to have a firm grasp on what it's like to be a complete newbie or run a multi-region null-sec empire. It's very easy to throw stones at people whose history you may not be fully familiar with.



I'd dare say we have a firmer grasp than you, myself especially seeing as how I helped actually create many of the systems we play under today. Take your frustration with the half-finished state of things or the neglected parts of EVE, put yourself in my shoes and imagine how I feel; why I ran for CSM starts to become more clear. I got to see first hand how a lot of the current state of EVE came to be and I wasn't interested in just sitting by and letting it continue.



I'm going to assume you are speaking to CCP here and refer you to what I said earlier about CCP's processes. You are bitching about something that everyone agrees with. I don't think you'll find any CSM member that isn't frustrated about how players spend so much time repeating the same requests that they are almost hot-keyed to be pasted over and over again.

Okay, I'll play along a bit more. I have done all of these things, as have many other current CSM members.



I've done my fair share of chatting in local over the years but it's typically not a place to find rational conversation. I've done guest lectures on EVE-Uni mumble a few times though.

I have also been to six EVE FanFests and multiple conventions / player gatherings as both a CCP Developer and as a player. I've met literally thousands of EVE players face to face and talked about the game and its issues. I think over the past eight years of being involved in EVE that I've done my due diligence in interacting with the player base enough to represent a decent percentage of them.

Dodgy like a true Politician i commend you




Would you like to comment on the Wh minerals?
Or only focus on segments that have clear and easy counters.



When you speak to the masses and shake hands, did wh minerals come up often?
You know while you are prioritizing and allocating resources...

Oops... you're right.
I didn't read that you were in Pandemic.


My bad.
In that case you know EXACTLY how bots are being used to take a crap on everything nullsec related, don't you?
I take back my prior statement about you not knowing about things like how good constellations are being rented out at botting prices as well... you most certainly do don't you?

You simply need more experience with probing, you can eliminate a large amount of those signatures in your first system wide scan by signal strength alone.