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Mastoo Opooratoo
Dieser elendige Lulatsch
#1 - 2012-03-14 13:42:43 UTC
Will running soe missions decrease my caldari/amarr standings in any way
Keilateau Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#2 - 2012-03-14 14:03:58 UTC
Mastoo Opooratoo wrote:
Will running soe missions decrease my caldari/amarr standings in any way

Short answer, Yes.

More info here: http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Faction_standings
Mastoo Opooratoo
Dieser elendige Lulatsch
#3 - 2012-03-14 14:15:09 UTC
Keilateau Shakor wrote:
Mastoo Opooratoo wrote:
Will running soe missions decrease my caldari/amarr standings in any way

Short answer, Yes.

More info here: http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Faction_standings


ok if i use one of my covert alts that currently dont have any standings run the starter soe arc thing to start of his soe standings and then run missions for a security agent would i take a hit if he accepts the mission Declining any anti faction ones and this charcter run them would i still take a caldari faction hit

From what ive read this will work but want to be 100% on it before i trash standings i dont need to
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#4 - 2012-03-14 14:27:55 UTC
Yes. Even if you turn down faction missions there is a slow erosion.
Mastoo Opooratoo
Dieser elendige Lulatsch
#5 - 2012-03-14 14:30:44 UTC
Nuela wrote:
Yes. Even if you turn down faction missions there is a slow erosion.



So i would be better off training the alt to run the missions
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-14 14:32:44 UTC
Mastoo Opooratoo wrote:
Will running soe missions decrease my caldari/amarr standings in any way


Er... contrary to what has been said above, not necessarily.

You will only lose faction standing with caldari/amarr in two situations:

1) You run missions against Caldari/Amarr (obviously duh)
2) You run SoE storyline missions

Running normal missions for SoE will not influence your standings and allow you to accrue SoE LPs for instance, but will not increase faction standing with SoE.
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#7 - 2012-03-14 14:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuela
Cyniac wrote:
Mastoo Opooratoo wrote:
Will running soe missions decrease my caldari/amarr standings in any way


Er... contrary to what has been said above, not necessarily.

You will only lose faction standing with caldari/amarr in two situations:

1) You run missions against Caldari/Amarr (obviously duh)
2) You run SoE storyline missions

Running normal missions for SoE will not influence your standings and allow you to accrue SoE LPs for instance, but will not increase faction standing with SoE.



No...I have seen (I am at work so I cannot look) an adjustment or some such in the faction rating of Caldari/Amarr. It is small but consistent over time. It does not seem connected to faction missions because it still happened when I stopped all faction missions for a month. It might (and this is a WAG) be related to increases in Gallente which affect Caldari/Amarr.
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#8 - 2012-03-14 14:48:42 UTC
Mastoo Opooratoo wrote:
Nuela wrote:
Yes. Even if you turn down faction missions there is a slow erosion.



So i would be better off training the alt to run the missions



The erosion is REAL slow...I wouldn't worry. The faction missions are when you take a bigger hit.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#9 - 2012-03-14 15:19:34 UTC
Neula, you're probably doing storylines. Normal SOE missions that are not against Caldari/Amarr (or related factions via which there might be a derived standing hit perhaps?) cannot effect Caldari/Amarr faction standing in any way.
Bent Barrel
#10 - 2012-03-14 15:25:43 UTC
Nuela wrote:
Cyniac wrote:
Mastoo Opooratoo wrote:
Will running soe missions decrease my caldari/amarr standings in any way


Er... contrary to what has been said above, not necessarily.

You will only lose faction standing with caldari/amarr in two situations:

1) You run missions against Caldari/Amarr (obviously duh)
2) You run SoE storyline missions

Running normal missions for SoE will not influence your standings and allow you to accrue SoE LPs for instance, but will not increase faction standing with SoE.



No...I have seen (I am at work so I cannot look) an adjustment or some such in the faction rating of Caldari/Amarr. It is small but consistent over time. It does not seem connected to faction missions because it still happened when I stopped all faction missions for a month. It might (and this is a WAG) be related to increases in Gallente which affect Caldari/Amarr.


when not running storylines, only your corp standing increases, faction standing never changes. so if you saw gallente faction standing change, you accepted and completed a storyline mission.....
Mastoo Opooratoo
Dieser elendige Lulatsch
#11 - 2012-03-14 15:26:59 UTC
The low sp alt has skills for covert skills and maxed social skills Will accept the mission this one will run the mission the alt will hand in the mission and keep 100% of the reward.

The alt will decline any faction missions against Caldari/Amarr.

If the alt accepts a story line not against calradi or amarr and i run the mission and the alt dont share reward as he cant for story lines any way will this character get a hit for killing the none faction npcs as they are in a story line mission.
Bent Barrel
#12 - 2012-03-14 15:29:58 UTC
Mastoo Opooratoo wrote:
The low sp alt has skills for covert skills and maxed social skills Will accept the mission this one will run the mission the alt will hand in the mission and keep 100% of the reward.

The alt will decline any faction missions against Caldari/Amarr.

If the alt accepts a story line not against calradi or amarr and i run the mission and the alt dont share reward as he cant for story lines any way will this character get a hit for killing the none faction npcs as they are in a story line mission.


any storyline related faction standing change has consequences on the opposite factions. does not matter if faction NPCs are killed or not.

simply completing the storyline that increases you Gallente standing will lower Caldari/Amarr ...
Mastoo Opooratoo
Dieser elendige Lulatsch
#13 - 2012-03-14 15:33:20 UTC
Bent Barrel wrote:
Mastoo Opooratoo wrote:
The low sp alt has skills for covert skills and maxed social skills Will accept the mission this one will run the mission the alt will hand in the mission and keep 100% of the reward.

The alt will decline any faction missions against Caldari/Amarr.

If the alt accepts a story line not against calradi or amarr and i run the mission and the alt dont share reward as he cant for story lines any way will this character get a hit for killing the none faction npcs as they are in a story line mission.


any storyline related faction standing change has consequences on the opposite factions. does not matter if faction NPCs are killed or not.

simply completing the storyline that increases you Gallente standing will lower Caldari/Amarr ...



Im not botherd about the alt taking the hit but will the character who runs the mission take a hit I know the alt whos mission it is will.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#14 - 2012-03-14 17:06:14 UTC
Mastoo Opooratoo wrote:

Im not botherd about the alt taking the hit but will the character who runs the mission take a hit I know the alt whos mission it is will.


Ah. No. The one running the mission, providing it is not anti-faction, will not get a standings hit from someone else's storyline.
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#15 - 2012-03-14 18:13:52 UTC
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
Neula, you're probably doing storylines. Normal SOE missions that are not against Caldari/Amarr (or related factions via which there might be a derived standing hit perhaps?) cannot effect Caldari/Amarr faction standing in any way.



You are probably right.

However, why would you run missions and not do any storylines?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#16 - 2012-03-14 18:18:40 UTC
Nuela wrote:
However, why would you run missions and not do any storylines?


For the sweet, sweet SoE LP. And considering the only SoE combat agent is now in hostile space, there are reasons to pass on the storylines.
Jeicam Mmis
BEEFCO.
#17 - 2012-03-14 20:48:23 UTC
I've ran SOE L4's for a bit (2-3 months?) in that time completed at least a few dozen storylines.

I did not observe ANY change to either amarr or caldari standings, however, i never accepted any missions or storyline missions that involved those factions.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-03-15 02:50:59 UTC
Jeicam Mmis wrote:
I've ran SOE L4's for a bit (2-3 months?) in that time completed at least a few dozen storylines.

I did not observe ANY change to either amarr or caldari standings, however, i never accepted any missions or storyline missions that involved those factions.


Probably should check the standing transactions on those Factions.

Completing SoE storyline missions will incur a small derived Faction standing hit towards Amarr, Caldari, Khanid and Thukker Factions as well as the Pirate Factions.

Within the Standing Relationships link, The 'In-Game Inter-Faction Relationships' graph is read from the top down. The 'Derived Inter-Faction Standing Modifier' graph is read from left to right.

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Jeicam Mmis
BEEFCO.
#19 - 2012-03-15 16:59:27 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Jeicam Mmis wrote:
I've ran SOE L4's for a bit (2-3 months?) in that time completed at least a few dozen storylines.

I did not observe ANY change to either amarr or caldari standings, however, i never accepted any missions or storyline missions that involved those factions.


Probably should check the standing transactions on those Factions.

Completing SoE storyline missions will incur a small derived Faction standing hit towards Amarr, Caldari, Khanid and Thukker Factions as well as the Pirate Factions.

Within the Standing Relationships link, The 'In-Game Inter-Faction Relationships' graph is read from the top down. The 'Derived Inter-Faction Standing Modifier' graph is read from left to right.



I know about the chart. I still claim my standing with amarr / caldari did not change even by 0.01 for turning in non-faction SOE missions (both regular L4's and storylines.) I did not track the other factions you mentioned.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#20 - 2012-03-15 23:41:44 UTC
Jeicam Mmis wrote:
I know about the chart. I still claim my standing with amarr / caldari did not change even by 0.01 for turning in non-faction SOE missions (both regular L4's and storylines.) I did not track the other factions you mentioned.


If that's true it would be... unusual. "Broken" might be a better term.

Unless... Did you start with slightly negative Cal/Amarr standings? Because standings won't degrade past the interfaction relationship points, meaning you won't get a hit taking you below -1.00 for Amarr or -.25 for Caldari by running SoE storylines.
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