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Joint Harvesting plantation raided
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#21 - 2012-03-05 18:49:22 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
My... god...

Are the joints ok?


I thought you were more of a Crash person, Istvaan. Blink

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2012-03-05 19:02:38 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:

No idea why. But we can tell you how. Republic Fleet are at close quarters watching this ilicit trade day in, day out, hour after hour after hour. It appears likely that they'll have their orders not to interfere, and they never do. Neither do Concord, come to that.


Why would CONCORD do something ? It is not under their jurisdiction, but republican law.

It is always surprising to see this capsuleer trend consisting in blaming CONCORD for everything.
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#23 - 2012-03-05 23:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssakaa
The lack of Concord response was mentioned, in passing, to encourage more right-thinking pilots to commit to liberating slaves without immediate reactive consequences. There are none aside from station guns. Nor is blame to be attached to Concord in this whole affair. Why should there be?

"Modern Life is Rubbish"
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2012-03-05 23:36:58 UTC
You put them in the same basket than the Republic authorities - that are not doing their jobs - so I understood it wrong and you have my apologies for that.
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#25 - 2012-03-06 04:33:12 UTC
Uraniae, you are my enemy because my Tribe has not informed me otherwise. As to if I would like to take your life or no, it serves no purpose as you are both Immortal and I have not seen you flying a goldenship In contested space.

Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#26 - 2012-03-06 04:59:27 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
You put them in the same basket than the Republic authorities - that are not doing their jobs - so I understood it wrong and you have my apologies for that.


It's always a pleasure to receive any kind of apology from a nefantar, but please, from a more personal perspective, no apology is required from you. My words were vague.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2012-03-06 05:15:44 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
In the end though, if you do believe me to be your enemy then demand my death and I'll offer it to you freely in the hope it will in some way help to calm your hatred.


There is no need to offer more blood to those consumed by blind hatred.

Katrina Oniseki
Milora Andven
Gradient
Electus Matari
#28 - 2012-03-06 05:25:59 UTC
None would disagree that it is a travesty that slaves labored this close to home. It was a failure of the Republic that this has occurred. We had sworn at the time of the Republic's creation that slavery would forever be banned from Republic space.

However, the Republic is not entirely to blame. Barkrik is a secured sector. It is close enough to the heart of the Republic that CONCORD should have acted. The Commerce Assessment Department has deemed the trade and transportation of slavery illegal. Considering our relationship with the Amarr, CONCORD should have performed their duties more diligently.

Because of CONCORD, we are largely unable to retaliate legitimately in any aggressive means. Though, as Uraniae Fehrnah has stated, if the Republic were to secure the sectors of its space - both DED secured or not - the Republic would be in accordance with international law if it were to enforce active regional laws on slavery. There are many solutions to this complex problem. We are all aware of the trafficking of slaves in Republic space, but we cannot wage open war with the Empire over this issue, as some reactionaries have implied. We would have no legitimacy in that conflict.

What we can do is ensure that our laws are not forgotten by our visitors. We are within our rights to confiscate any slaves that we find aboard any vessel. If the handler does not comply, then we are still within our rights to execute the law. There is no statute that dictates that the Republic cannot enforce the ban on slavery. We have only to look within our borders to find these transgressors. If CONCORD will not enforce their laws, then the Republic will. We do not have the capability to change CONCORD, but we can change our system. While the actions were admirable, this raid should not have been performed by private actors. The Republic owes it to its citizens to be responsive in these situations. Our enslaved brethren deserve action, especially when those brethren are within Republic space.

We have the will as a nation, and the law is on our side. Why don't we use that to our advantage?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2012-03-06 19:09:55 UTC
It is not up to CONCORD to enforce republican laws in Republic space, and local authorities could also take it as an offense to see someone else - and more specifically, a foreign authority - prying into their jurisdiction.

And I do not see how CONCORD prevents you to retaliate against said slave transports, as stated in the OP.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-03-06 21:11:05 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
My... god...

Are the joints ok?


I thought you were more of a Crash person, Istvaan. Blink


Personally, certain correspondence left me convinced Istvaan was replacing the ectoplasm in his pod with Drop on a regular basis.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Luna Mori
AmmuNacionale
#31 - 2012-03-11 15:25:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Luna Mori
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
Removing the corporate interests that lay on the other side of the line (IE Amarrian corporation in Matari space, etc) would take quite a lot of work and resources. In some cases the stations these corporations operate out of are in large part financed by those corporations. With that in mind there are really only a few basic options to "remove them now."

The Republic can throw immense amounts of money at these corporations and effectively buy the stations out from under them. Which means the cost of the infrastructure itself, plus the projected loss of profits from being forced out of the market area.

The second option being taking these stations and planetside holdings by force, which will no doubt only provoke the same sort of response from the other party.

And Rek's observation leads to the third option. Build up the Republic's economy and infrastructure to the point that it is no longer worth the expense to have Amarrian corporations operate in Republic space.

For now it's really a legal battle to ensure these corporations operate within local laws. Catch them when they violate local laws, fine and punish them within the bounds of local laws and international trade agreements.



Joint Harvesting is definitely transporting slaves. The slave plantation, discovered by the Republic's own agents, does exist. That should be enough for the authorities to demand that JH cease operations and leaves as soon as possible. Or, face prosecution and be shut down.

Either way, the easiest option for all would be to leave the infrastructure as it is and just allow other corporations to take over operating once JH have gone. The stations are Amarrian design, but they were built here. I'm sure the locals will live with them a little longer until the Republic gets around to replacing them. It need not be expensive, it just requires the current Republic government to act in the face of all this evidence and remove the corporation.

General Secretary, Ani Tribal Assembly
Luna Mori
AmmuNacionale
#32 - 2012-03-11 16:08:27 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
It saddens me that we can assemble large space fleets but struggle to feed our own. How do I know this, you may ask. Because if the Republic's domestic food-raising efforts were adequate there would be no need for Joint Harvesting in the Republic. Native Freshfoods can only do so much.


The Ani constellation has enjoyed huge growth and prosperity over the past few years. I estimate the numbers of capsuleers operating in the area could have doubled in the last two. There are no reports of food shortages from the local worlds. There is no need for Amarrian agricultural aid here. There is no need for the Republic to feed us, just to act and remove them.

General Secretary, Ani Tribal Assembly
Luna Mori
AmmuNacionale
#33 - 2012-03-11 16:57:59 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:
So many red herrings being thrown about with abandon here. Perhaps Joint harvesting might supplement their slaves' diets with them. Every bit as nutritional as hot air, I'm sure they'll be off to a hard day's labour at the plantations with a swing in their stride.

Let's go back to Rek Jaiga's questions.

So why is this happening?

No idea why. But we can tell you how. Republic Fleet are at close quarters watching this ilicit trade day in, day out, hour after hour after hour. It appears likely that they'll have their orders not to interfere, and they never do. Neither do Concord, come to that. They'll also look on passively as a right-minded capsuleer turns Bestowers to scrap metal and liberate the 'cargo'. But, be mindful -if you wish to move the now-freed slaves to a safer location in another solar system, Republic customs would like a word with you.

And before anyone asks, some Republic systems have no Matar, Gallente or SoE stations as a safe haven as in the case of Barkrik (Ani constellation).

Who is responsible for this outrage? Yes, likely most of us have heard about the 'political expediency' of this issue many times before, but any good Matar national must hold accountable all those who allow such atrocities or who formulate deals using our people's very own blood as bargaining chips.

Which leads us directly to Rek's second question, doesn't it:

Are the needs of the Matari people being met by the current leadership?

No. Clearly.



So what can be done? We have appealed to ban the trading of slaves on Minmatar markets. We have asked to remove from Minmatar space, any corporations implicit in slave trading. We have no representation in Shakor's Parliament and they just answer with silence. Additionally, CONCORD recently granted stations guns licence to target beyond 150km making it much more difficult for us to interdict convoys to free slaves. However, we keep trying where the Republic dare not.

General Secretary, Ani Tribal Assembly
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#34 - 2012-03-14 15:34:06 UTC
Keep up the maintenance of public awareness, is all that can be done, Luna, I fear. Over and over, if need be.

Such a sorry state of affairs -the peoples of Ani have endured nefantar betrayal, and much more recently, heinous Ammar and Sansha interference. Sometimes I wonder if their only ally, aside from you and your affiliates' efforts, are the Sisters of Eve, as has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"
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