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We should be allowed to transfer kill rights.

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Ghoest
#1 - 2012-03-14 14:59:29 UTC
I havent been killed in ages so thats not my issue.

If you are ganked the kill rights you get should be 1 time transferable. It would be fine if the target was notified of the transfer.

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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#2 - 2012-03-14 15:02:50 UTC
I agree that would be a cool feature.
Fierceshot
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-14 15:07:59 UTC
That is how bounties should work imo.
Ni'ark
Parnassius Corporation
#4 - 2012-03-14 15:08:36 UTC
That's actually great idea, will support "merc" style of living a lot more.
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soranno
14th Legion
#5 - 2012-03-14 15:08:39 UTC
would make an outstanding feature I feel, paying someone to accept the killright transfer, with the isk transfer upon.. completion? hehe, of the kill :) Quite sure I've heard of it before, but a shame it hasn't received official attention
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-03-14 15:08:58 UTC
Lets look at this:

So 1 player has 2 characters in the same system.

1st character ganks the a miner and the miner gets the kill rights.

2nd character offers to kill the 1st character for a fee,

So the the kill rights are transfered to the 2nd character and a fee paid.

leaving the ganked miner with no kill rights.

The 2nd character then says to the miner, not only have you been ganked but scammed as well.



So is the above how this should work?
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
#7 - 2012-03-14 15:09:56 UTC
Hopefully this functionality (and other improvements to the bounty hunting non-profession) will be included in the PVP-focused Inferno summer expansion. Hopefully...
malaire
#8 - 2012-03-14 15:12:02 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Lets look at this:

So 1 player has 2 characters in the same system.

1st character ganks the a miner and the miner gets the kill rights.

2nd character offers to kill the 1st character for a fee,

So the the kill rights are transfered to the 2nd character and a fee paid.

leaving the ganked miner with no kill rights.

The 2nd character then says to the miner, not only have you been ganked but scammed as well.



So is the above how this should work?

Well, miner did get ISK. If he also wants to get target killed, he should use known merc corps.

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Seb Seba
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-14 15:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Seb Seba
O.o I like this idea.
Gankers would really think if it is worth it now.
Bounties market or something where you can sell (need special license (10M per month) to access it.
Imagine how much you could get for some highly "popular" dumbasses.

Hi sec would make A LOT of sense then.

CCP get to work!
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#10 - 2012-03-14 15:15:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Ahem.

Bait alt goes out and can steals without frear of reprocussions.
One miner takes it upon himself to ganks the poor ibis of doom in an act of defense of the can.

Ibis of doom pilot xfers kill rights to main.
Main wtf BBQs the hulk pilot in his Talos without concord intervention and profits.

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OmniBeton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-14 15:22:19 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Lets look at this:

So 1 player has 2 characters in the same system.

1st character ganks the a miner and the miner gets the kill rights.

2nd character offers to kill the 1st character for a fee,

So the the kill rights are transfered to the 2nd character and a fee paid.

leaving the ganked miner with no kill rights.

The 2nd character then says to the miner, not only have you been ganked but scammed as well.



So is the above how this should work?


Yes, it should.
Miner buys service from 2nd character - hires bounty hunter.
His responsibility is to check 2nd character if he's reliable service provider.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-14 15:22:48 UTC
Actually yes, I think you should be able to transfer killrights to another character, but it should be done as part of a bounty hunter overhaul.

Such a transfer should require that you pay the person you are transfering killrights to, thus paying them to go kill the guy, in the same vein as bounty hunting. I am thinking the following:


New contract type: Bounty Hunt

Can be private or public, you contract out to have a hit taken out on someone. The contract minimum payment is the ship loss value (including modules) that the person accepting teh contract will get upon completion of teh contract the contract being simply to take the guy out. Possibly able to assign a minmum isk damage done (so you could assign say 100 million isk as teh minimum to be paid, this will take out teh chance of them simply killing a noobship or so on.)

I say minimum is that price as standard but you may add as much isk to that reward as you like. So for examples:

Example 1:

Mr X exploded my rattlesnake, I create a public Bounty Hunt contract for him to be killed. The reward is say 500 million isk (as that is roughly what my cheapo rattler cost) and the duration is 28 days, I also specify that the kill must be 90 million isk minimum.

Mr P takes my contract and hunts Mr X down, sadly he only finds him in a Thorax and that isnt enough, so he stalks him for a few hours and yes, he undocks in a hauler full of fat goodies, after scanning to see a cargo full of plexes, Mr P opens up and drill Mr X full of holes, he is paid the 200 mill contract as he has fulfilled the requirements.


Example 2: (this one negates the chance of Mr X simply accepting the contract on his own alt)

Same scenario, Mr X and my rattlesnake.

This time however I look through C&P and find a reputable bounty hunter, he tells me he willtake the job for 100 million isk over teh ship loss, for a total of 600 million isk. Hmm, I think but yeah i want to see that guy dead, so I agree, but this time I want him to hurt so we agree on a 500 million isk loss. and the scenario plys out as above...


So yeah transferable killrights, as a contract system, this opens up a bright new career path, and simultaneously makes suicide ganking a little riskier as you may just ge a bounty hunter after you for 28 days...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

OmniBeton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-03-14 15:28:32 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Ahem.

Bait alt goes out and can steals without frear of reprocussions.
One miner takes it upon himself to ganks the poor ibis of doom in an act of defense of the can.

Ibis of doom pilot xfers kill rights to main.
Main wtf BBQs the hulk pilot in his Talos without concord intervention and profits.


Bait alt goes out and can steals without frear of reprocussions.
One miner takes it upon himself to ganks the poor ibis of doom in an act of defense of the can.

Ibis of doom pilot has main in the same corp.
Main wtf BBQs the hulk pilot in his Talos without concord intervention and profits

Fixed for you
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#14 - 2012-03-14 16:04:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
OmniBeton wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Ahem.

Bait alt goes out and can steals without frear of reprocussions.
One miner takes it upon himself to ganks the poor ibis of doom in an act of defense of the can.

Ibis of doom pilot xfers kill rights to main.
Main wtf BBQs the hulk pilot in his Talos without concord intervention and profits.


Bait alt goes out and can steals without frear of reprocussions.
One miner takes it upon himself to ganks the poor ibis of doom in an act of defense of the can.

Ibis of doom pilot has main in the same corp.
Main wtf BBQs the hulk pilot in his Talos without concord intervention and profits

Fixed for you


Cept that corp is SWA they have to xfer the kill rights first.

And if you think these two exploits are acceptable may I point you to the reason why bounties never worked.

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#15 - 2012-03-14 16:47:07 UTC
Or you could keep making threads demanding CCP fix the bounty system. Lol

Perhaps we could constantly link them this page in their website:

Bounty Hunters? CCP WTF!!

Carebears will just keep leaving eve unless there is an acceptable means to get their own back.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Fly byNighter
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-03-14 16:52:51 UTC
GREAT IDEA

I would even put in a option for a bonus, if the player makes the kill!!!!!!

The gankers go after indy player that might not have the best skills for PVP ( I never understood the reason why people want to fight other ship that don't even have guns, When i go PVP i prefer the challenge of a FAIR FIGHT.
Jurinak
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-14 17:10:34 UTC
Fly byNighter wrote:
GREAT IDEA

When i go PVP i prefer the challenge of a FAIR FIGHT.


Then Eve is the wrong game for you

Anyway, the idea is ok. It will bring more Pewpew to have and a chance for victims to get revenge.

Even if you are an experienced Pvp Player you near to never use your killrights because the wrong toon got ganked with next to zero pvpskills. Be it a miner or freighter whatever.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-03-14 17:34:58 UTC
I really like this idea and would end suicide ganking in a flash.


If ive got a month to take down a dozen thrasher pilots then i would really start enjoying this game/ your mom again
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James J Hill
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-03-14 17:37:29 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Lets look at this:

So 1 player has 2 characters in the same system.

1st character ganks the a miner and the miner gets the kill rights.

2nd character offers to kill the 1st character for a fee,

So the the kill rights are transfered to the 2nd character and a fee paid.

leaving the ganked miner with no kill rights.

The 2nd character then says to the miner, not only have you been ganked but scammed as well.



Well, if you are dumb enough to pay someone to TAKE your Kill Rights, you deserve to be scammed.

Kill Rights in the proper hands are valuable, there is NO CONCORD coming to save the perp, not even their friends can save them. I'd PAY for Kill Rights with my PVPer, I can warpscramble the perp the moment I get close (and he has no reason to suspect me). Now I can ransom, gank for shinys, etc. A great profession for the former gate gankers displaced by the insurance change.

Be able to put up Kill Rights on Contracts, tell your CSM favorite you want it!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#20 - 2012-03-14 17:41:04 UTC
Kill rights as a contract.

Multiple pilots can accept the same contract.

Payment upon completion

No kill...no pay.

Mr Epeen Cool
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