Missions & Complexes

im sure theres more then myself wondering the same question......

what makes more isk/hour?

running sites in C5 WH's with tengu's OR running incursions in highsec

i havent done either but im realy looking to start raking in huge amounts of isk and so far these are the only ways to do it without investing large amounts of capital into BPO's


so lets hear what the pros think what makes more isk/hour giving the fact that there is down time between incursions and there arent really any running sites in WH's i would think C5's are the way to go but i may be wrong which is why im asking.......

whats the average..... 50-100m/hour / 100-200m/hour

i basically just have a tengu this pilot was my capital builder for a while just used him for the extra slots for capital componant building, but if the isk is good enough i may think about selling my main.... 47m sp sub cap pilot easy 15b sale with the skills he has to buy one that can work better in a WH/incursion

Its hard to pin down an average, but most of the time the average is about 3-400 million, sometimes up to 500 millon isk. Combat sites suck isk wise, unless you're doing cap escalations. I rarely do those so I'm not too sure off the top of my head.

Sometimes you get lucky and you have an empty chain of WHs with lots of sites worth doing, sometimes you get nothing but Ladar and Gravs.

There are down sides and advantages to doing both, just depends on what you would prefer.

incursions = 50-60mil / h per char
c3,c4,c5 etc 50-100mil / h per char

wh - slightly higher inconsistency (sites running out, rolling holes, hot days without farming when enemy is in the hole etc), significantly higher risk, higher initial investment (pos or/and corp), logistics
wh + you can scale up your income having multiple chars which is not possible most of the time when running incursions

setup time is similar in incursions and wh (about 1-2h finding fleet in incursions, scanning / rolling in wh)

all in all if you want just quick income without much hassle do incursions, hardcore guys are making 10b+ a month

Just nuancing your post a little while reading

I personally have been making 100million p/h running vanguards. There is NOTHING as consistent as incursions for making Isk.

Do they need nerfing?

The answer is no, simply because there is alot of risk involved just as there is in a wormhole space. If a Basi pilot disconnects then the entire fleet can be popped very easily resulting in anything upto 50 billion isk being lost maybe more depending on fleet composition and modules installed.

Competeing in certain sites calls for killing tamas and spawning more Sansha in the hope of the DPS overwhelming the opposing fleets Logis and getting that fleet popped.

I have lived in a C3 for a long time but a C5-6 can't get alot of traffic really and even if they did your running with capitals with triage so that fleet is pretty much safe, Battleships arn't gonna warp in and try for the gank are they? lol...

Leave incursions alone, working as intended.

If anything primaries you in a C5-6 without triage logi support your as good as dead.

Those bhaals would just go poppety pop pop.

Those Logis will get primed too going poppety pop pop.

Sure, there is more safety in a fleet with 3 logis. However, anytime you take a DPS ship out of the equation you're looking at the possibility of not getting paid for the sites you do because that other fleet, who is only flying twin logi, just out damaged you in the site and got paid instead. So it's a trade off.

As a matter of fact, losing sites to a superior fleet is becoming more common place now that more people are getting into the high dps ships. And sadly, a Tengu isn't considered high dps.

There is no "risk" in PvE when you have a brain. Risk vs. reward is concerning the risk of other players, not NPCs.

If you have half a brain and can put together a decent fleet and know what you're doing, you shouldn't lost a damn thing to NPCs in PvE. The risk comes from players. There is none in high sec.

People flying 1-3 billion ships on the average. Logi's are about 300-400mil. That gives you 1bn in logis, and a fair 10-20 bn in DPS in solid fleets.

Now there is suicide gankers, ECM Burst griefers, griefing Logi, griefing FCs, bad FCs, bad Logis, failfit Logis, disconnecs and idiots in OTAs - this is a very small list - incursions are risky. Don't kid yourself.

The fact that incursions require very careful planning and execution - and any derivation means people die proves its the content that is risky.