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Is extortion by CSM candidates permitted?

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Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2012-03-14 09:14:40 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Red Templar wrote:

You are actually very very wrong in this estimate.

Check Darius Jonson presentation from eve fanfest 2009 alliance panel. In it he reveals the actual number of players in the alliance.
I think 20 people might be a bit of an underestimation, but thanks for the idea. It was interesting to watch and compare to Sins of a Solar Spymaster.

Ok, you got us. Number actually doubled during these years, so its about 50 people now.

[b]For Love. For Peace. For Honor.

For None of the Above.

For Pony![/b]

Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-03-14 11:43:15 UTC
Confirming my beloved pet hamster, Larry, was held hostage by Goons until I provided screenshots of my voting for The Mittani...

But they still didnt give Larry back Sad
Frying Doom
#103 - 2012-03-14 12:22:06 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Confirming my beloved pet hamster, Larry, was held hostage by Goons until I provided screenshots of my voting for The Mittani..

But they still didnt give Larry back Sad

My condolences on your loss. That is if it wasn't meant as more mockery along the lines of the Goonsheep attacks

At this junction I would also like to give my condolences to the friends of Trabzz

Through his courage we got proof of why The Mittani made the board of CSM6 and will again be on CSM7
Trabzz wrote:
Pheusia wrote:
How are you being pressured to vote against your will?

People are being banned left and right from the forums, some for 90 days or more, for supporting their own candidates. If you can't post your lossmails you can't get reimbursement, so a large amount of money is being denied to anyone that speaks up

They are also keeping tabs on how individual corps are voting through their own exit polling system, and publishing the stats so that those who refuse to toe the line can be mocked publicly.
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Proof (truth)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A proof is sufficient evidence or argument for the truth of a proposition.

The concept arises in a variety of areas, with both the nature of the evidence or justification and the criteria for sufficiency being area-dependent. In the area of oral and written communication such as conversation, dialog, rhetoric, etc., a proof is a persuasive perlocutionary speech act, which demonstrates the truth of a proposition.

I included the following to help the Goonsheep understand the above.
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Perlocutionary act
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A perlocutionary act (or perlocutionary effect) is a speech act, as viewed at the level of its psychological consequences, such as persuading, convincing, scaring, enlightening, inspiring, or otherwise getting someone to do or realize something. This is contrasted with locutionary and illocutionary acts (which are other levels of description, rather than different types of speech acts)

Unlike the notion of locutionary act, which describes the linguistic function of an utterance, a perlocutionary effect is in some sense external to the performance. It may be thought of, in a sense, as the effect of the illocutionary act via the locutionary act. Therefore, when examining perlocutionary acts, the effect on the hearer or reader is emphasized

As an example, consider the following utterance: "By the way, I have a CD of Debussy; would you like to borrow it?" Its illocutionary function is an offer, while its intended perlocutionary effect might be to impress the listener, or to show a friendly attitude, or to encourage an interest in a particular type of music.

Through the bravery of this member of Goonswarm, we are all now aware of why such a minority can take the majority of votes on the CSM and turn the process into a joke.

As yet we have not had any one from the other null sec blocs step forward, but just because we have not yet heard, doesn't mean it's not true for these other voting blocs as well.

With the Goonswarm swamping any posts containing the truth about the CSM or belittling the voices of the people. There is little hope for the average voter.

So with so few people seemingly controlling the future of the CSM, revelations of the dead coming back to life. I once again must ask that The Mittani's candidacy be suspended, while these allegations are properly investigated

Remember The Mittani doesn't need anyone's vote, the facts brought to life by Trabzz shout out why this is so.

I salute the bravery of Trabzz and all whistle blowers.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2012-03-14 12:29:29 UTC
I really want to keep rolling with this gimmick but it's starting to strain my suspension of disbelief.
Frying Doom
#105 - 2012-03-14 12:47:54 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I really want to keep rolling with this gimmick but it's starting to strain my suspension of disbelief.

Glad to see that with enough proof and conviction of spirit, it is possible to wear down the shouting and immense drivel powers of the Goonsheep. Big smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2012-03-14 13:38:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I really want to keep rolling with this gimmick but it's starting to strain my suspension of disbelief.

Glad to see that with enough proof and conviction of spirit, it is possible to wear down the shouting and immense drivel powers of the Goonsheep. Big smile


The only thing you clown cause is this:
Wiki wrote:
Boredom is an emotional state experienced when an individual is left without anything in particular to do, and is not interested in their surroundings. The first recorded use of the word boredom is in the novel Bleak House by Charles Dickens, written in 1852,[1] in which it appears six times, although the expression to be a bore had been used in the sense of "to be tiresome or dull" since 1768.[2] The French term for boredom, ennui, is sometimes used in English as well.


[b]For Love. For Peace. For Honor.

For None of the Above.

For Pony![/b]

Frying Doom
#107 - 2012-03-14 18:48:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Quote:
Anything that thinks logically can be fooled by something else which thinks at least as logically as it does. The easiest way to fool a completely logical robot is to feed it the same stimulus sequence over and over again so it gets locked in a loop. This was best demonstrated by the famous Herring Sandwich experiments conducted millennia ago at MISPWOSO (The MaxiMegalon Institute of Slowly and Painfully Working Out the Surprisingly Obvious).

A robot was programmed to believe that it liked herring sandwiches. This was actually the most difficult part of the whole experiment. Once the robot had been programmed to believe that it liked herring sandwiches, a herring sandwich was placed in front of it. Whereupon the robot thought to itself, "Ah! A herring sandwich! I like herring sandwiches."

It would then bend over and scoop up the herring sandwich in its herring sandwich scoop, and then straighten up again. Unfortunately for the robot, it was fashioned in such a way that the action of straightening up caused the herring sandwich to slip straight back off its herring sandwich scoop and fall on to the floor in front of the robot. Whereupon the robot thought to itself, "Ah! A herring sandwich..., etc., and repeated the same action over and over and over again. The only thing that prevented the herring sandwich from getting bored with the whole damn business and crawling off in search of other ways of passing the time was that the herring sandwich, being just a bit of dead fish between a couple of slices of bread, was marginally less alert to what was going on than was the robot.

The scientists at the Institute thus discovered the driving force behind all change, development and innovation in life, which was this: herring sandwiches. They published a paper to this effect, which was widely criticised as being extremely stupid. They checked their figures and realised that what they had actually discovered was "boredom", or rather, the practical function of boredom.

-Douglas Adams
-Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, Mostly Harmless.

I personally prefer this for a definition of boredom.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2012-03-14 20:33:41 UTC
Douglas Adams Day was a few days ago, today is Pi Day, get with the times.
Ka P'lah
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-03-14 23:22:30 UTC
I like Pi

(sorry, had to)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-03-14 23:43:28 UTC
i'm glad that you confidently reassure yourself of your intellectual superiority by using words like "Goonsheep" and quoting Wikipedia articles

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-03-14 23:47:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
i'm glad that you confidently reassure yourself of your intellectual superiority by using words like "Goonsheep" and quoting Wikipedia articles


Do you feel "Goonsheep" is on par with "sheeple?"
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-03-15 00:16:58 UTC
Not sure if serious...
Frying Doom
#113 - 2012-03-15 06:51:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Triskian wrote:
Andski wrote:
i'm glad that you confidently reassure yourself of your intellectual superiority by using words like "Goonsheep" and quoting Wikipedia articles


Do you feel "Goonsheep" is on par with "sheeple?"


While "Sheeple" is incredibly similar for what my intentions for the term "Goonsheep" are. I really am not smart enough to coin a term that will be used 60+ years later.

Sheeple
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia wrote:

Sheeple (a portmanteau of "sheep" and "people") is a term of disparagement in which people are likened to sheep, a herd animal. The term is used to describe those who voluntarily acquiesce to a suggestion without critical analysis or research. By doing so, they undermine their own individuality and may willingly give up their rights.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Frying Doom
#114 - 2012-03-15 13:00:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
i'm glad that you confidently reassure yourself of your intellectual superiority by using words like "Goonsheep" and quoting Wikipedia articles

Actually I just use the quality of the replies from you Goons to do that.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-03-15 18:55:53 UTC  |  Edited by: David Cedarbridge
Frying Doom wrote:
Triskian wrote:
Andski wrote:
i'm glad that you confidently reassure yourself of your intellectual superiority by using words like "Goonsheep" and quoting Wikipedia articles


Do you feel "Goonsheep" is on par with "sheeple?"


While "Sheeple" is incredibly similar for what my intentions for the term "Goonsheep" are. I really am not smart enough to coin a term that will be used 60+ years later.

Sheeple
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia wrote:

Sheeple (a portmanteau of "sheep" and "people") is a term of disparagement in which people are likened to sheep, a herd animal. The term is used to describe those who voluntarily acquiesce to a suggestion without critical analysis or research. By doing so, they undermine their own individuality and may willingly give up their rights.


If you had even the slightest idea how the formation of government worked you'd know how stupid this definition is, but its nice to know that Wikipedia is such an authority on all things to provide us with their insight on a word that stupid people use.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-03-15 18:59:03 UTC
Also, confirming that I was forced to vote for my darling Mittens.
Frying Doom
#117 - 2012-03-15 21:57:41 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:

If you had even the slightest idea how the formation of government worked you'd know how stupid this definition is, but its nice to know that Wikipedia is such an authority on all things to provide us with their insight on a word that stupid people use.


The formation of which type of government? There are so many different types of government on this planet, that I can honestly say no I don't know how they are all formed.

Or is this one of those strange posts where you believe that only the type of government in your country exists, or only your beliefs count?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2012-03-15 21:59:27 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:

If you had even the slightest idea how the formation of government worked you'd know how stupid this definition is, but its nice to know that Wikipedia is such an authority on all things to provide us with their insight on a word that stupid people use.


The formation of which type of government? There are so many different types of government on this planet, that I can honestly say no I don't know how they are all formed.

Or is this one of those strange posts where you believe that only the type of government in your country exists, or only your beliefs count?

your beliefs don't count hth

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Frying Doom
#119 - 2012-03-15 22:22:11 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
your beliefs don't count hth

A fairly normal xenophobic response for these days, so many people believe that their ways and beliefs are the only ones that count.

Which is why it is quite sad that a minority of players can abuse the voting system in such a way as to get their Leader as head of the CSM. Then tell people how he is good for the game while he only fights to make the game better for the Minority while the Majority of players become unhappy with the direction of the game and subsequently start leaving.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#120 - 2012-03-15 22:23:12 UTC
perhaps you will join with me in asking ccp to release the vote totals of all candidates, which i assure you will not be used to troll issler into the ground about her utterly failed campaign

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.