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[Ship Balance Issue] Battlecruiser Tracking
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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#21 - 2012-03-13 22:08:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Spc One
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
I am new to eve. I think it is important that new players can play a meaningfull role in this game.
However, current game mechanics don't allow that.

Recently, my alliance has fielded 300ish Rifters with some noob ship support and tried to take sov from a smaller alliance. They had 100ish frigs and engaged us, everything went well for us. But then suddenly 30ish Hurricanes warped on grid and started to pop our rifters. Finally, we had to withdraw simply because our enemy was able to field Hurricanes.

Obviously, this game is broken! Hurricanes are a IWIN button in such battles. We can't do **** about it. Such game mechanics prevent small alliances from taking space.

Please like this post so that CCP finally becomes aware of this issue!!!

P.S: I also would like to run for CSM next year and will adress this issue there if I win.

Well if dominixes warped to you and deployed light drones, the result would be the same as with hurricanes.
Sage Revinour
Only Fools or Horses
#22 - 2012-03-13 23:14:30 UTC
0/10

Fail troll in a forum it doesn't belong in.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-03-14 00:33:09 UTC
lmbo this ******* scrub doesnt realize that 300 frigs would own 30 canes
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#24 - 2012-03-14 00:50:57 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
300 Rifters VS 30 Hurricanes? I say the rifters win just because they have such a BLOB of them, cant kill that many before their DPS melts the hurricanes.

Also, failtroll I actually give 1/10 because it got two pages.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-14 00:57:44 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
300 Rifters VS 30 Hurricanes? I say the rifters win just because they have such a BLOB of them, cant kill that many before their DPS melts the hurricanes.

Also, failtroll I actually give 1/10 because it got two pages.

They had 100 Frigs as well, and I guess they had a better FC.
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
#26 - 2012-03-14 01:02:46 UTC
This thread is relevant to my interests, I like where it's going.

The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#27 - 2012-03-14 01:31:24 UTC
The obvious solution is to make all battle cruisers use large weapons.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Lit it up
Phogi Inc.
#28 - 2012-03-14 06:51:50 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
300 Rifters VS 30 Hurricanes? I say the rifters win just because they have such a BLOB of them, cant kill that many before their DPS melts the hurricanes.

Also, failtroll I actually give 1/10 because it got two pages.

They had 100 Frigs as well, and I guess they had a better FC.



i lol´d so hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Sir!
Denuo Secus
#29 - 2012-03-14 09:20:54 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Try putting a tracking disruptor from each frigate on to each Hurricane.

After all, this is how tracking-Titans are countered... ohwait.

Too skill intensive...


Even low skilled tech1 TD on each rifter will hurt BCs ability to deal damage a lot. I mean...~10 low-skilled TD on each Cane, hello? Damps (res script) or Minmatar-ECM (if you know what's coming) should work nice as well. Ewar is your option you really should have used in smaller hulls vs larger hulls IMO.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#30 - 2012-03-14 09:35:11 UTC
OH NOES DONT NERF MAH TITANS PLEEEEEEEEASE ME WANTS TO TRACK AB-ING TENGUS LONG LONG TIME.

(Oh and dem canes, did they have cormacs sensor boosters :P)
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#31 - 2012-03-14 10:40:05 UTC
Especially armor canes have a pretty good EHP and medium sized autocannons have a superb tracking combined with a very long falloff - I understand perfectly fine why someone complaints about the Hurricanes wether it's a troll or not.

Autocannon Hurricanes are lethal to any frig even upto 24km away... If people want a balanced game it's important to look into why Minmatar ships and weaponry are capable of being so much more nasty than any other weapon system and do something about it. The problem might be tracking enhancers, the guns or the ships. But it's not called Winmatar for nothing.

Pinky
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-03-14 10:41:18 UTC
Lit it up wrote:
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
300 Rifters VS 30 Hurricanes? I say the rifters win just because they have such a BLOB of them, cant kill that many before their DPS melts the hurricanes.

Also, failtroll I actually give 1/10 because it got two pages.

They had 100 Frigs as well, and I guess they had a better FC.



i lol´d so hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Sir!

You are welcome,
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-03-14 12:03:04 UTC
OP updated
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-03-14 12:17:29 UTC
And still they are biting!

Nicely done.
Feawin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-03-14 12:40:55 UTC
OP; you are an idiot and has completely missed the deal with titans.

You can tracking disrupt and neut 30 battlecruisers, but NO FLEET EXCEPT A BIGGET SC BLOB CAN KILL A TITAN BLOB. There's just no other counter for it.
That's why its currently broken. And that's why it needs fixing.

Now go and find a more valid comparison
Kendarr
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#36 - 2012-03-14 13:01:49 UTC
I'm sorry i love hurrcanes to much....you should lose to them. :P

why cant you small allainces field Hurricanes?

they are like 15 Million a pop?

Thank you
Kendarr

Zebra-Corp
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-03-14 15:46:52 UTC
Feawin wrote:
OP; you are an idiot and has completely missed the deal with titans.

You can tracking disrupt and neut 30 battlecruisers, but NO FLEET EXCEPT A BIGGET SC BLOB CAN KILL A TITAN BLOB. There's just no other counter for it.
That's why its currently broken. And that's why it needs fixing.

Now go and find a more valid comparison


They had scimitars with tracking links on field. And as i said, we are all new palyers, we neither have the money nor the SP to fit this ewar stuff.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-03-14 15:58:14 UTC
Battle Report or it never happened.
DaRiKavus
Mosh Pit
THE BESTICLES
#39 - 2012-03-14 16:53:22 UTC
After a few years of playing the game I would like to thank the OP for bringing up a very valid point.

Personally I find it confusing and frustrating that I cant just field a large force and out-blob my opponents.

I would like CCP to stop trying to "re-balance" or improve gameplay and make it so that there is only one ship type.

I will let you guess which weapon system it should use Roll

In fact, while we aree on the subject why cant I get extra XP for killing spaceships ???? I should be to level 100 by now with the ammount of dungeons I have cleared of spaceships. I would also like to be able to use AUR to be able to change the way my ship looks so it is personal to me.

Get a grip CCP and make this confusing game easier to understand please Twisted

Darik
Alara IonStorm
#40 - 2012-03-14 17:13:00 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:

They had scimitars with tracking links on field. And as i said, we are all new palyers, we neither have the money nor the SP to fit this ewar stuff.

Looking at the time you posted this thread vs it take 4 hours to get that SP... You could have had it by now. T1 Tracking Disruptors should cost as much as any other T1 Module.

As for Scimatars if you were using Arty Rifters you would have won that fight with superior Alpha Capability even if you lost 100 of your ships to the 100 frig gang.

But since this is a stealth whine about Titans I can honestly say since you haven't figured out Rifters yet, you definitely should not be given any say on XL Turrets.