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NEW LAUNCHER => great step BACKWARDS, thx ccp!,
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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-03-13 19:02:10 UTC
Of course the multi-boxing OP is likely to illiterate to notice the option in the launcher's settings to have it not show up.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#22 - 2012-03-13 19:02:58 UTC
Morganta wrote:
is the patch really this big or is the launcher just this slow?



the launcher is full of :CCP: ~excellence~
I'll be fixed soon(tm).

On the upside, sounds like they left boot.ini alone Lol

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#23 - 2012-03-13 19:04:52 UTC
I'll state it here once again

This is a step fowards

A step backwards would be having a game client that doesnt know there is a patch avilable, tells you that the server is available and will not connect and will do this when the next patch to fix your client isnt even available and a full client install took them a week to compile

You have no idea how much more of a PITA eve client used to be

as other people put it, Launch done patching. Instead launch oh there's a patch, tell okay to patch. close eve. patch eve. restart eve. having to forcefully restart eve becuase its wrong pathname from what it thought it should be.
Finds out there is a hot patch repeat until caught back up to current client edition. which the crucible edition had been for a while.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-03-13 19:25:46 UTC
Takashi Kaeda wrote:
I also thought this was the case at first.




Settings > 'Only Launch When Patch Available'




Problem solved.


It doesn't work here...
Par'Gellen
#25 - 2012-03-13 20:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Par'Gellen
Taipion wrote:
what a bullshit, sure everyone tests the beta stuff and reads all that ****, because we are all payed to further enhance CCPs projects...oh...wait...we are actually not payed, no, we pay CCP to do that stuff... Shocked
Well he's not wrong... This has always bothered me about CCP. I'm just not used to paying a company to test their software for them.

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...
Az'Kagoth
War Crime Syndicate
#26 - 2012-03-13 20:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Az'Kagoth
Quote:
Well he's not wrong... This has always bothered me about CCP. I'm just not used to paying a company to test their software for them.


Oh he is wrong. And so are you

You are not paying anything, you get the privilege of being able to test new features that might be added to the game completely for free

See that way, CCP gives YOU the power to give feedback. And they actually listen

Burying your head in the sand, not using your right to get involved, all out of laziness has effectively removed your right to complain.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-03-13 21:07:50 UTC
Par'Gellen wrote:
Taipion wrote:
what a bullshit, sure everyone tests the beta stuff and reads all that ****, because we are all payed to further enhance CCPs projects...oh...wait...we are actually not payed, no, we pay CCP to do that stuff... Shocked
Well he's not wrong... This has always bothered me about CCP. I'm just not used to paying a company to test their software for them.


I pay CCP for access to a server, one that specifically stipulates that that access is not guaranteed. If that isn't an acceptable level of risk for you, there's the door.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Par'Gellen
#28 - 2012-03-13 21:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Par'Gellen
Az'Kagoth wrote:
Quote:
Well he's not wrong... This has always bothered me about CCP. I'm just not used to paying a company to test their software for them.


Oh he is wrong. And so are you

You are not paying anything, you get the privilege of being able to test new features that might be added to the game completely for free

See that way, CCP gives YOU the power to give feedback. And they actually listen

Burying your head in the sand, not using your right to get involved, all out of laziness has effectively removed your right to complain.

New features that require feedback are one thing and I agree with you there. However, basic software bugs that are obvious to anyone that starts up the client is quite another. This is not my first rodeo. I've seen this from CCP for years. I used to religiously log into SISI and test like crazy. I stopped when I saw that the bugs (most new) I was reporting were making it to Tranquility anyway. I realized nobody seemed to really be paying attention on the other end even while practically begging for bug reports on the feedback forum. Baffling...

To be clear, I'm not talking about gameplay changes. Those DO need to be tested by actual players. I'm talking about bug hunting which should NOT be the responsibility of the players in any way. They are completely different things.

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#29 - 2012-03-13 21:28:24 UTC
THIS IS NEW, I HATE NEW THINGS THEREFORE I HATE THIS!!!!1!!ONE!1!

Seriously, how day they take the drab, old windows box and give me something with the game news and player count in it! A travesty!


Roll

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#30 - 2012-03-13 21:43:35 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I'll state it here once again.

This is a step fowards.

A step backwards would be having a game client that doesnt know there is a patch avilable, tells you that the server is available and will not connect and will do this when the next patch to fix your client isnt even available and a full client install took them a week to compile.

You have no idea how much more of a PITA eve client used to be.

as other people put it,

Launch done patching.

Instead of

launch oh there's a patch, tell okay to patch. close eve. patch eve. restart eve. having to forcefully restart eve becuase its wrong pathname from watch patcher assumes.
Oh theres another patch repeat until caught up with all hot fixes.

You Sir, are a absolutely A-level-idiot, or troll, your choice.
- the client was "aware" of available patches before (old, build in, launcher)
- it is no way faster, but slower in the process with the new launcher
- you have appearantly no clue of how such things work



Oh, and even when "start only when patch is available" is checked, the launcher is "started" first, though not visible, but you still get an error if you try to launch more than one instance without waiting a few seconds!

I still need a hack/workaround to start the client without calling the launcher first, PLEAS HELP!
Az'Kagoth
War Crime Syndicate
#31 - 2012-03-13 21:51:27 UTC
Par'Gellen wrote:
Az'Kagoth wrote:
Quote:
Well he's not wrong... This has always bothered me about CCP. I'm just not used to paying a company to test their software for them.


Oh he is wrong. And so are you

You are not paying anything, you get the privilege of being able to test new features that might be added to the game completely for free

See that way, CCP gives YOU the power to give feedback. And they actually listen

Burying your head in the sand, not using your right to get involved, all out of laziness has effectively removed your right to complain.

New features that require feedback are one thing and I agree with you there. However, basic software bugs that are obvious to anyone that starts up the client is quite another. This is not my first rodeo. I've seen this from CCP for years. I used to religiously log into SISI and test like crazy. I stopped when I saw that the bugs (most new) I was reporting were making it to Tranquility anyway. I realized nobody seemed to really be paying attention on the other end even while practically begging for bug reports on the feedback forum. Baffling...

To be clear, I'm not talking about gameplay changes. Those DO need to be tested by actual players. I'm talking about bug hunting which should NOT be the responsibility of the players in any way. They are completely different things.


I agree with you completely on the bug hunting issue.

The problem at hand however was not the the launcher was in any way "bugged". It is simply not working as the OP wants it to, even though it is working as intended. It's complaining about that, that my post was directed at.
Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#32 - 2012-03-13 22:01:48 UTC
Az'Kagoth wrote:
Par'Gellen wrote:
Az'Kagoth wrote:
Quote:
Well he's not wrong... This has always bothered me about CCP. I'm just not used to paying a company to test their software for them.


Oh he is wrong. And so are you

You are not paying anything, you get the privilege of being able to test new features that might be added to the game completely for free

See that way, CCP gives YOU the power to give feedback. And they actually listen

Burying your head in the sand, not using your right to get involved, all out of laziness has effectively removed your right to complain.

New features that require feedback are one thing and I agree with you there. However, basic software bugs that are obvious to anyone that starts up the client is quite another. This is not my first rodeo. I've seen this from CCP for years. I used to religiously log into SISI and test like crazy. I stopped when I saw that the bugs (most new) I was reporting were making it to Tranquility anyway. I realized nobody seemed to really be paying attention on the other end even while practically begging for bug reports on the feedback forum. Baffling...

To be clear, I'm not talking about gameplay changes. Those DO need to be tested by actual players. I'm talking about bug hunting which should NOT be the responsibility of the players in any way. They are completely different things.


I agree with you completely on the bug hunting issue.

The problem at hand however was not the the launcher was in any way "bugged". It is simply not working as the OP wants it to, even though it is working as intended. It's complaining about that, that my post was directed at.


"not paying anything" ?! ...you seem to have gotten something wrong here

" It is simply not working as the OP wants it to" ...this is wrong, it used to work like this, but stopped with this "upgrade", thereby, this is a bug, yes, as this feature was not intentionally discontinued, but stopped working due to bad implementation.


I still would greatly appreciate any hack/workaround/soloution for this!

It is sooo annoying... -.-
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#33 - 2012-03-13 22:04:14 UTC
I like it. Okay there was a bug when it first started, but honestly, more people could have tested it, I never did my part so have no right to complain about one post install update.

I was also restricted to my 3G connection this morning when it became available. Despite the shittyness of my CONNECTION it downloaded the new patch smoothly at a decent speed, picking up after dropped connections and really worked quite well.

CCP left plenty options for working around bugs, or ignoring the launcher entirely if you don't want it...

Nope, I see no problems with the launcher, nice addition CCP.


On the other hand, what the HELL did you do to my Invul Fields?!
Lucky Lips
Black Paradise
#34 - 2012-03-13 22:15:37 UTC
Dear CCP,
You all should stop drinking at work, this new launcher is one more useless addition to a game that used to be great.
Why not be sober for a day and work on things that players care about, you might spend time doing things for the players when they are loged in rather than making useless stuff that pisses off your fast dropping subscribers.


Lets walk in station..... NO we ****** that up so just do some flashy useless login that no one cares about and they might forget that we dont give a **** about our players.............................sounds like a line Hilmar might have said to programmers at a meeting.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#35 - 2012-03-13 22:23:37 UTC
Taipion wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:
You could just hit the play button 10 times....

ever bothered reading other peoples posts? no?!

Troll spotted!


You could try reading the post you're commenting on. OP was running EVE, getting the launcher, clicking PLAY, quitting the launcher, running EVE, getting the launcher, clicking PLAY.

The simple version is: run EVE, get the launcher, click PLAY twice.

Do you see the difference?

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#36 - 2012-03-13 22:23:57 UTC
Ok, stop it, please.

This is not going anywhere, I know this is GD, but I lunatically hoped to get some quick help here.



Please spare me your trolling and so on, theres a fix needed, and no pointless discussions.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#37 - 2012-03-13 22:26:30 UTC
Taipion wrote:
Ok, stop it, please.


So the "only run launcher for patches" option doesn't work for you, and clicking PLAY multiple times doesn't work either?

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#38 - 2012-03-13 22:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Kreul Intentions
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Ok, stop it, please.


So the "only run launcher for patches" option doesn't work for you, and clicking PLAY multiple times doesn't work either?


Ok, again:

"only run launcher for patches" does not "not"-start the launcher, it is just not displayed, this is the way they hooked it up, as the launcher needs to "know" when to "show up" for a patch, before the client starts.

Even with this option, you have to wait until the first client is loaded, and the launcher unloaded, before you can start the 2nd client, or you get an error.




This was not how it used to be, and to once and for all stop the trolling here, this feature was not intentionally discontinued, but stopped working due to bad implementation, therefore it is a "bug" and needs to be fixed, and as I know how fast CCP is at recognizing and then maybe fixing them someday:

*snip

No further discussion needed, if you dont know how to fix this, troll elsewhere!

[edit]: fixed!

exefile.exe does the trick, forgot about it when I saw EVE_Launcher and eve.exe, as if 3 files to start the game (launcher, eve.exe, safe mode) are not enuff allready. -.-
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#39 - 2012-03-14 00:03:00 UTC
ITT: Sense of Entitlement & People Who Don't Check the Settings Menu

This is why we can't have nice things.

Katrina Oniseki
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
#40 - 2012-03-14 00:26:39 UTC
It's just trashed my settings and reset to default because instead of using C:\Users\xxxxxx\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\c_program_files_(x86)_ccp_eve_tranquility it's decided that it'll now use the 8.3 mangled name C:\Users\xxxxxxx\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\c_progra~2_ccp_eve2_tranquility - so it's back to the full screen, accept EULA, everything dumped back to default.

Copy settings over from the right directory to what it decided to change to, it's back again, but it wasn't doing that 3 hours ago, so what the hell is going on?

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