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Is the Titan nerf announced for April CCP kowtowing to GOONs?
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2012-03-13 17:55:00 UTC
Rightly or wrongly that is a conclusion almost all in Eve can come to rightfully believe. I actually don't care 1 way or the other since I've never felt particularly threatened by goons & always saw thru their scams & laughed but with the Titan nerf announced the refrain:
" CCP should just make it so titans cant lock maelstroms and drakes and just get this over with. " seems justified
With the current CSM elections going the way they seem to be unless everyone starts voting against MITTENS in a unified fashion Ithink this perception that CCP has a hard on for goons is just going to grow INCREDIBLY!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2 - 2012-03-13 17:58:29 UTC
for those of you dont know

capital tracking of weapons are reduced by half

conversly no more tracking penaltywhen onlining your seige module.

also the number of targets a titan lock has been 'significnatly' reduced.

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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#3 - 2012-03-13 17:58:50 UTC
Love how everyone's all like "GOONS DON'T HAVE SUPERCAPS SO THIS IS BLATANTLY TO HELP THEM"

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11911041 - Yes, they DO have supercaps.

This is hardly "kowtowing" to them - this affects EVERYONE for the better. It gives smaller alliances a chance to get more space and get bigger, and it brings down the mega war-machine of the big alliances.

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Steve Celeste
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-13 17:59:00 UTC
It makes perfect sense that the goon doctrine was perma-mwd drakes until they got what they wanted.

Just blow up that signature to the size of a carrier and welp them into a titan fleet every weekend, all to get CCP to nerf titans.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#5 - 2012-03-13 18:03:39 UTC
Steve Celeste wrote:
It makes perfect sense that the goon doctrine was perma-mwd drakes until they got what they wanted.

Just blow up that signature to the size of a carrier and welp them into a titan fleet every weekend, all to get CCP to nerf titans.

Lol That's some bitter, bitter tears right there. WTB your titan, 2B b/o.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-13 18:06:08 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Love how everyone's all like "GOONS DON'T HAVE SUPERCAPS SO THIS IS BLATANTLY TO HELP THEM"

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11911041 - Yes, they DO have supercaps.

This is hardly "kowtowing" to them - this affects EVERYONE for the better. It gives smaller alliances a chance to get more space and get bigger, and it brings down the mega war-machine of the big alliances.


thanks for showing everyone our only supercap, ugh

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#7 - 2012-03-13 18:08:02 UTC
When you hire a Goon director as lead game designer, this is what you get. I dont understand why people act all surprised.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-13 18:09:44 UTC
As somebody who has been on the short end of a titan **** stick on more than one occasion, NO, this is CCP fixing something that is very broken.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-13 18:10:06 UTC
If you all know Super Caps are going to be nerfed, start setting up your roam assets in Venal now. By the time they have the nerf in place you should be able to launch nightly subcap fleets in to Deklein, Pure Blind and Fade for 6 months or more.
Steve Celeste
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-13 18:11:22 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Steve Celeste wrote:
It makes perfect sense that the goon doctrine was perma-mwd drakes until they got what they wanted.

Just blow up that signature to the size of a carrier and welp them into a titan fleet every weekend, all to get CCP to nerf titans.

Lol That's some bitter, bitter tears right there. WTB your titan, 2B b/o.

Check the sales forum. I am buying, not selling.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2012-03-13 18:19:39 UTC
If you are equating “balance” and “common sense” to goons (and if you do, what the hell is wrong with you), then yes, they're kowtowing to goons…
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-03-13 18:42:12 UTC
Yes, yes they are.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#13 - 2012-03-13 18:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Azorria
Tippia wrote:
If you are equating “balance” and “common sense” to goons (and if you do, what the hell is wrong with you), then yes, they're kowtowing to goons…

This, exactly this.

(Waits for crying supercap pilots who are sad that their "I WIN" button is getting nerfed)

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#14 - 2012-03-13 19:12:24 UTC
I do find it interesting that Andski wrote this about the upcoming nerf allready on february 24th:

Andski wrote:
I'm sorry that your titan is now only capable of catapulting fleets, giving massive HP and capacitor bonuses, applying 3 million damage to any capital sized target and dealing massive turret DPS against battleships, capitals and structures.


(source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=850135#post850135)

At this point the only information given by CCP was that tracking titans were looked into. And Andski has been vehemently opposed to Titans tracking anything smaller than a battleship. The tracking nerf is one thing, but it is the scanres nerf that is the real beauty of this nerf. It makes it impractical to lock smaller ships than battleships (and even battleships is streching it). Andski certainly seems to allready know this, 3 weeks ago.
Valei Khurelem
#15 - 2012-03-13 19:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
It doesn't matter how much you nerf or balance something with this type of game, in the end there will always be a ridiculously OP ship fitting or set of modules, it's just going to take a bit more time to find it again now. Then the goon lobbying session will begin yet again in the next elections.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#16 - 2012-03-13 19:33:29 UTC
Well, if their plan was to get a bunch of "Bitter Vets" to unsub, they will probably succeed with this one. Oops

Have already heard quite a few people in corp talking about dropping their Titan accounts, simply no point in logging them on now, kind of like Super Coffins.

If your going to make expensive ships useless, why not simply remove them from the game and reimburse the ABSURD skill points that people had to invest when the ships were actually useful.
Or, at least let them dock so that people can actually use the character for something else.

You have listened to the screaming mob, most of which probably have never seen a Titan, much less been killed by one and made them once again useless.

What is a bittervet to train for now? Assault frigs?
To many people, Supercaps were part of the Endgame of Eve, yet you continue to make them a liability to own, at least for anyone that can't field 100 of them.
Now I have to respec my planned Titan pilot to something else, but since dread tracking is no better than a Titan, and they have no way to defend themselves against anything smaller than a moon, I'm not sure why. On the other hand, at least they can dock....

So I must congratulate you CCP, from the looks of the forums, it looks like you've gotten the carebears upset as well.

Now, if you could do something to **** off the pirates, you'd be batting a thousand! Oops

My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-03-13 19:58:01 UTC
Avid Bumhumper wrote:
Well, if their plan was to get a bunch of "Bitter Vets" to unsub, they will probably succeed with this one. Oops

Have already heard quite a few people in corp talking about dropping their Titan accounts, simply no point in logging them on now, kind of like Super Coffins.



Anybody who actually quits over this will easily be replaced by somebody who quit the game in frustration when they realized Eve had turned into Supercaps Online.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Michael J Caboose
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-03-13 20:12:27 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Avid Bumhumper wrote:
Well, if their plan was to get a bunch of "Bitter Vets" to unsub, they will probably succeed with this one. Oops

Have already heard quite a few people in corp talking about dropping their Titan accounts, simply no point in logging them on now, kind of like Super Coffins.



Anybody who actually quits over this will easily be replaced by somebody who quit the game in frustration when they realized Eve had turned into Supercaps Online.


QFT, even though agreeing with a goon makes me feel nauseous and unclean...
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-03-13 20:12:39 UTC
Look im all up for smacking a goon but this just sounds like under handed anti Mittans propaganda for CSM Votes


Try harder as all you do is drive me into the winsome arms of Mittans
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#20 - 2012-03-13 20:20:32 UTC
Michael J Caboose wrote:
QFT, even though agreeing with a goon makes me feel nauseous and unclean...

There must be something in the water, 'cos a fair few goons are actually taking sense as of late.

I don't like it, make it stop.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
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