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So who's the blind bat at Reykjavík

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Misanth
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#1 - 2012-03-13 13:15:56 UTC
First we get these new forums where our avatars and all the text borders are MASSIVE, supposedly the text/content is not to be in focus..

Then we get the new fonts ingame, which forces your overview to be MASSIVE, just to crank in all text we need.

And now we have these new hp bars ingame, they are MASSIVE.

Not sure who the blind bat at the HQ is, but some of us would prefer it it'd be toned down a bit so it doesn't feel like you have everything forced up 2 cm under your nose. Thank you. P

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Misanth
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#2 - 2012-03-13 13:43:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Misanth
Right, since some suggested "UI scaling" and others don't seem to have the same issue.. I wonder if it's (again, definately not the first time) this affect different resolutions differently. I'm running 90% UI scaling already.

Here's what it looks like. Left is a screenshot from 1h before d/t, right is taken well, 10mins ago.
http://i.imgur.com/lVlri.png

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#3 - 2012-03-13 15:37:34 UTC
That's... a little annoying. I suspect in a week I won't even notice.

-Liang

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2012-03-13 15:48:02 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Right, since some suggested "UI scaling" and others don't seem to have the same issue.. I wonder if it's (again, definately not the first time) this affect different resolutions differently. I'm running 90% UI scaling already.

Here's what it looks like. Left is a screenshot from 1h before d/t, right is taken well, 10mins ago.
http://i.imgur.com/lVlri.png


the bars are the same size.. the only thing that changed is that I removed the SH/AR/ST labels and added a hint on each bar instead

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Alex Cortex
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-13 15:58:58 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Misanth wrote:
Right, since some suggested "UI scaling" and others don't seem to have the same issue.. I wonder if it's (again, definately not the first time) this affect different resolutions differently. I'm running 90% UI scaling already.

Here's what it looks like. Left is a screenshot from 1h before d/t, right is taken well, 10mins ago.
http://i.imgur.com/lVlri.png


the bars are the same size.. the only thing that changed is that I removed the SH/AR/ST labels and added a hint on each bar instead


Yeah, I was gonna say, they don't look any bigger, just a little more spread out. Honestly I think it actually looks cleaner.
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#6 - 2012-03-13 15:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Panhead4411
CCP Punkturis wrote:


the bars are the same size.. the only thing that changed is that I removed the SH/AR/ST labels and added a hint on each bar instead



So, you didn't add few more pixels in there between the bars for the smaller UI scales....? B/c it deffinately looks like they are extra tall....glad i'm not stacking my targets vertically anymore...

And on 100% scale, the target area is just stupid big now...please stop messing with things that aren't broken. Or can you show us the hordes of ppl that wanted this change...?

And to the guy above me, it looks cleaner b/c they spread it out more so it doesn't scrunch up so much at smaller UI scales (which was forced on ppl after the text spacing issue that has yet to be fixed)...which makes the 100% scale ridiculously large..not a good solution.

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Murashu
Dead and Delirious
Brotherhood of Spacers
#7 - 2012-03-13 16:00:34 UTC
Yeah the bar sizes look identical to me but the spacing between them is more even now. Not sure why you would suggest they are massive compared to the last patch.
Zofe Stormcaller
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-13 16:04:18 UTC
Misanth wrote:
First we get these new forums where our avatars and all the text borders are MASSIVE, supposedly the text/content is not to be in focus..

Then we get the new fonts ingame, which forces your overview to be MASSIVE, just to crank in all text we need.

And now we have these new hp bars ingame, they are MASSIVE.

Not sure who the blind bat at the HQ is, but some of us would prefer it it'd be toned down a bit so it doesn't feel like you have everything forced up 2 cm under your nose. Thank you. P


They weren't blind when they started at CCP. The Apocrypha sensor booster effect did it.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2012-03-13 16:07:18 UTC
Panhead4411 wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


the bars are the same size.. the only thing that changed is that I removed the SH/AR/ST labels and added a hint on each bar instead



So, you didn't add few more pixels in there between the bars for the smaller UI scales....? B/c it deffinately looks like they are extra tall....glad i'm not stacking my targets vertically anymore...

And on 100% scale, the target area is just stupid big now...please stop messing with things that aren't broken. Or can you show us the hordes of ppl that wanted this change...?

And to the guy above me, it looks cleaner b/c they spread it out more so it doesn't scrunch up so much at smaller UI scales (which was forced on ppl after the text spacing issue that has yet to be fixed)...which makes the 100% scale ridiculously large..not a good solution.


The alignment for smaller scales may look different because of approximation. i'm not really sure what 100% change you're talking about but there's no need to be this hostile. If you think it's broken and the change does not look intentional you can just file a bug report (preferably with the in game tool) and it will be fixed if it's an issueSmile

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Misanth
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#10 - 2012-03-13 16:27:28 UTC
Punkturis, two things:

* Don't get me wrong, this looks "better", more clean, exactly like how the font cleanup was "nice"

* But do get me right, it is not scaling well, just like the text. My screenshot was cut out from an alts low-res client, now imagine that you are in a fight where you (usually) have 5-10 of those locked, combined with your overview who already takes 30-35% of the screen width, combined with the MASSIVE travel/location text on top left. See where I'm getting at?

I am not sure if you are sole responsible for these changes, since you mentioned "I did", but I do hope you actually run this past several other people, and you do check these changes on several PC's? It would make your job so so easy if you just posted these changes and let people give you feedback, rather than just change it, you know.

The "problem" with all these recent changes, is how they all make things bigger. I am running 90% UI scaling, and alternating 9 and 10 contect menu (depending on client). This last change you did was not just "adding a hint". Just look at my screenshot. The effect of the changes is that the bars look five times as 'fat', they are alot brighter. When you stack many of these, you have something big and fat "shining" in your vision, especially for us who want things small/minimalistic it gets very annoying.

I'm not the only one who reacted btw, first comment from a guy (I'll remove his name tho, don't want to hang him out) that logs in a bit after me:
"[13:21:48] X > wtf have they done with target icons"

I hope you can see the 'good with the bad'. It looks better, it's nice that you work on UI etc, but really, please make things scale better so it pleases both those who want the MASSIVE, and those of us who don't like it. I am one of those who always scale down all icons in my OS as well..

Thanks for reading.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2012-03-13 16:34:17 UTC
Misanth wrote:

* But do get me right, it is not scaling well, just like the text. My screenshot was cut out from an alts low-res client, now imagine that you are in a fight where you (usually) have 5-10 of those locked, combined with your overview who already takes 30-35% of the screen width, combined with the MASSIVE travel/location text on top left. See where I'm getting at?



Based on your screenshot (I don't have anything else) I still do not see how the bars are larger now, they should even take less space since the labels have been removed.

Other people in this thread also dont see how the bars are larger. We're talking about the shield, armor and structure bars right?

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#12 - 2012-03-13 19:22:29 UTC
CCP Punkturis and I took a very close look at the screenshot and the bars look about 3px larger left and right. They are not massive or five times larger. We will take a look at the code later and see if we want to change anything.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Valei Khurelem
#13 - 2012-03-13 19:24:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Only the EVE Online player base would ***** about changes to the font as if they were a huge deal.

I suggest making the forums and client customisable CCP so that people will be happy and can change it to whatever they like without the default settings.

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#14 - 2012-03-13 19:28:17 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Only the EVE Online player base would ***** about changes to the font as if they were a huge deal.

I suggest making the forums and client customisable CCP so that people will be happy and can change it to whatever they like without the default settings.

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-03-13 19:31:55 UTC
Misanth wrote:
is how they all make things bigger ..... the bars look five times as 'fat'.... you have something big and fat "shining" .... who want things small ..... pleases both those who want the MASSIVE.


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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#16 - 2012-03-13 19:33:00 UTC
Hey, you'll appreciate bigger stuffs when you get older. Remember who the gamer demographic is.... Blink
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-13 19:46:43 UTC
@ devs, I think the op's main complaint isn't that the bars are larger. The complaint is there is now spaces in between the bars making the target take up more space from the top of the icon to the bottom of the targets name. It's easy to see in the picture he provided. So his complaint, despite being something most of us probably wouldn't have ever even noticed, is at least a reality.

@OP, while I respect your right to have an opinion on this or any other matter, is this really on the top of your list of things that need to be changed in EVE? In my oh so humble opinion, it looks better, I would call it an improvement. Now if you're rocking a 680X420(or whatever it was)resolution monitor then I guess that small change in space could really screw you up, but I'd imagine you're already having other problems due to resolution. Perhaps a monitor upgrade?


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Par'Gellen
#18 - 2012-03-13 19:48:48 UTC
I'm not sure I understand the OP's issue. The screenshots look virtually identical. The only real difference I see is that one has NPC's with short names and the other has NPC's with long names that make them wrap to the next line. Where is the problem?

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CCP Explorer
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#19 - 2012-03-13 20:09:39 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
@ devs, I think the op's main complaint isn't that the bars are larger. The complaint is there is now spaces in between the bars making the target take up more space from the top of the icon to the bottom of the targets name. It's easy to see in the picture he provided. So his complaint, despite being something most of us probably wouldn't have ever even noticed, is at least a reality.
We then need a better screenshot calling out the exact details that are different/wrong.

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Misanth
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#20 - 2012-03-13 20:44:45 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Misanth wrote:

* But do get me right, it is not scaling well, just like the text. My screenshot was cut out from an alts low-res client, now imagine that you are in a fight where you (usually) have 5-10 of those locked, combined with your overview who already takes 30-35% of the screen width, combined with the MASSIVE travel/location text on top left. See where I'm getting at?



Based on your screenshot (I don't have anything else) I still do not see how the bars are larger now, they should even take less space since the labels have been removed.

Other people in this thread also dont see how the bars are larger. We're talking about the shield, armor and structure bars right?


Yah. It's like having a framed picture on the wall, while I have this minimalistic 0.5cm-silver frame, you have the 10 cm oak sandbox. I'd post a picture with many targets on instead if I could, but right now I'm in a Tengu and can only lock 5 targets heh.. it gets exponentially worse, and the brighter colour also makes it alot worse.

Since you and others in this thread don't notice/care, but me and some others do, this must clearly be a matter of screen/resolution setup. To me this is horrific and major, it really hits you with an annoying huge bright glow in the face when you lock up targets now. But wtf can I do when it gives me a headache and you can't even notice.. that's quite sad. I'd gladly 'tone down' the brightness of it, and I'd gladly make the borders thinner, but I can't. Am already at minimum, and can't adjust the colour of that, and can't adjust purely that size either. Ugh

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