EVE General Discussion

That in fact makes the most sense. The Signature Nerf was paired with an anomoly buff. After that change there was no need to scan down signature Plex, you could do it all from Onboard. It hinged on the desire of the community to prevent ISK making and that desire never came about. Me being willing and motivated to sit in hostile space and lock down thier PvE Ops. Because that never happened, PvE Ops could be run without the PvP glass barriers.

The trouble with building your game on griefer mechanics is, griefers want attention more than anything else and AFK cloaking a system 26 jumps from high sec won't get them near as much attention as blowing up Hulks in .5 high-sec. You over estimated the griefers willingness to work for thier grief.

They can if ppl cache in. There are plenty who spend money so fast that they don't got the ISK to hand it over in a CONCORD station for not so shinies. There is little reason to get anything from the CONCORD LP store anyway. It's most likely better to change them to some other LP and go for ammo (or some stuff I wont name in public kekeke).

You need to find a buyer if you want to sell. And twice the base price for 1% more ompf ain't that hot.

Nerf Vanguard sites AND do this at the same time. Or is that too much to ask?

This.

The thing is, a lot of highsec residents don't even have a remote idea about what anomaly is, as it's not accessible in highsec empire space, and they certainly do not care about forum drama.

Incursion, on the other hand, do attract tons of attention and nullsec residents can easily set up alts to join in the same faucet (where, in the case of nullsec anomaly, is entirely inaccessible to highsec residence, due to the blobing 0.0 alliances), thus the awareness and whining is much more "under the spotlight".

Would be really interesting to see numbers on nullsec anomalies bounty income. And of course, progress on batting botters.

List of isk Faucets and Sinks (courtesy of Tippia):


Faucets:

NPC bounties
NPC buy orders
Mission rewards
Insurance payout
GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
Character creation


Sinks:

Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
NPC sell orders
NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
Wardecs
Sovereignty fees
PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned customs offices)
Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
CSPA Charges
Smuggling fines
GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
Character deletion


Popping a ship only hurts the players wallet and removes mineral assests, it is not an ISK sink to the game since the purchasing of ships and mods/goods has already transfered the ISK associated with it onto the relevant trader you purchased them from.

If anything if insurance is involved it potentially adds to the pot making it a faucet.

Please provide citations as to how the isk generated from larger faucets cannot be associated with plex purchasing also and possibly more importantly cannot be channeled in the EvE economy so as to provide plex purchases from others.

Explain the large volumes of plex traded per month as solely associated with incursion runners.

I'm still seeing that the plex pricings most recent change is a clear spike co-incidental with the crucible expansion. No clear evidence that it's associated with incursions.



I'm not saying that incursions won't contribute to plex purchasing.

Equally long term players will be earning more SP and finding better ways to earn isk regardless which equally can account for more earnings overall.

Also plex prices have been as high prior to incursions as when they were introduced and pre-crucible spike.

In short if you can't legitamise the link associated with Plex purchases and provide clear evidence as the main issue due to incursion runners then I can only accept it as simplified crystal ball gazing due to a simple view that running incursions makes it easier to earn a plex and not being able to look at the economy in a general way. Volumes of plex trading should help you here that there is significantly more than can be accounted for due to incursion runners.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/3021/3295/PLEX.png

(Notice the signifcant plex spike co-incidental with Crucible and also the significant number of plex volumes.)

Unsurprisingly, PLEX prices spike when a new expansion comes out. Equally unsurprisingly is the when hisec incursions are shut down (c/f Darius III, Ammzi and friends), PLEX prices start to drop.

Incursion runners are not the only people buying PLEX, you have that much right. The number of extremely cash-rich Incursion runners who are able to buy PLEX at any price are the ones placing extreme upward pressure on the price. ThIs was made quite clear during the period that Incursions were interdicted: people I know we're simply not logging in except to verify that no new incursions were running. During that period, PLEX prices fell slightly.

Due to the diffuse nature of NPC bounty income in nullsec, that stream of income will not impact PLEX prices so significantly. When you are making 60M ISK/hr and are replacing ships lost in PvP, you do not exert as much pressure on the PLEX market as the person making 100M ISK/ hr who never has to replace their ship. The Incursion runner simply has more disposable income.

So dismiss my opinion if you will, but be aware that I have made none of the claims that you have demanded me to support.

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Endeavour none of my characters are in a Sov Holding Alliance, so you'll be waiting a long time to hear that particular speech from me. That said Sov holders aren't really wrong to make that argument, even with the ridiculously broken Local Chat mechanics it is at least more dangerous than High Sec Incursions are today... although Mining in high sec is likely riskier than both these days.

You seem to have it stuck in your head that the only players that object to Incursions are from Sov Nullsec. Look more closely, it's wide range of players that share certain expectations on what's appropriate for a Sandbox MMORPG that is supposed to be driven by player conflict. High sec Incursions are not appropriate.

CCP needs to inject non consensual PvP fully into High Sec or gut High Sec income to tiny fraction of what is possible now. There's no other way that it can be balanced otherwise with the rest of the game. ... Anyway, maybe we should let people get back to talking about the Inflation side of the problem.