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High Sec POS questions..
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Chaos15
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-13 04:56:19 UTC
My friend and I, are thinking about setting up a medium or small pos to make some money. We have the initial investments covered I think. But I was wondering if and how it could be profitable.. Talking 1b + in a month in profit.

Is it possible with 2-3 toons?

What skills would I need?

How long would it take to see return?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#2 - 2012-03-13 05:10:06 UTC
There's really only 2 ways to profit from a hi-sec tower.

1) Rent out slots. Buy BPO, research it, sell the researched BPO. Or sell BPC packs. For the most part that is just a "break-even" business, until you get into the really big BPOs.

2) Use the labs to create BPCs for use in invention. Account for the lab fees in your profit calculations and make sure to charge a suitable per-hour slot fee which is enough to cover fuel needs at the expected usage level.

Assuming the POS tower costs 400M/30d in fuels, that means that you have to cover about 556k ISK every hour of operation. So if you can only keep 20 slots busy, then you have to build per-hour lab costs of 556k/20 (27.8k) into your profit calculations. If you can keep 40 slots busy 24x7, then you only need to recover 13.9k ISK/hr in lab fees.
Zesoft
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-03-14 00:20:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Zesoft
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
There's really only 2 ways to profit from a hi-sec tower.

1) Rent out slots. Buy BPO, research it, sell the researched BPO. Or sell BPC packs. For the most part that is just a "break-even" business, until you get into the really big BPOs.

2) Use the labs to create BPCs for use in invention. Account for the lab fees in your profit calculations and make sure to charge a suitable per-hour slot fee which is enough to cover fuel needs at the expected usage level.

Assuming the POS tower costs 400M/30d in fuels, that means that you have to cover about 556k ISK every hour of operation. So if you can only keep 20 slots busy, then you have to build per-hour lab costs of 556k/20 (27.8k) into your profit calculations. If you can keep 40 slots busy 24x7, then you only need to recover 13.9k ISK/hr in lab fees.


Wait, do you still get charged lab fees and taxes if you own the POS and labs in high-sec?

What's your take on manufacturing being the sole profit for a POS?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#4 - 2012-03-14 04:32:43 UTC
Zesoft wrote:

Wait, do you still get charged lab fees and taxes if you own the POS and labs in high-sec?

What's your take on manufacturing being the sole profit for a POS?


Whether or not you charge yourself slot fees is a personal choice when you setup the labs / arrays. Personally, I prefer to account for fuel costs in the form of slot fees in all of my profit calculations rather then tack it on in some other fashion. Someone has to pay for it, so it may as well be the person queuing up research/manuf/invention jobs.

"sole manufacturing" towers face the same issues as "research" and "copy" towers, you have to cover that 556k ISK/hr fuel cost number in some way or fashion. Fortunately, manuf arrays are cheap on CPU compared to labs, so you can cram more manuf arrays onto the tower. Which gives you more slots across which you can spread that fuel cost.

The downside of manufacturing at a POS array is that you have to be organized and you'll spend a lot of wasted time moving materials out to the POS tower if you aren't. Some sort of asset tracking tool which will tell you what you have in the array vs what you need out in the array is a must (jEVEAssets "stockpile" feature).