Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well obviously EvE is better...otherwise you wouldn't be here and would instead be playing another game. Changing EvE's gameplay does not make it better...it makes it a different game. People play EvE for a reason. Changing that now would be idiotic. At least if it were an all in one immediate change. As I stated before...I have been playing EvE since day 1. EvE has changed a lot since it's initial release, in both graphics and gameplay.

Although I generally do not like your approach Leto - you seem very frustrated, difficult to engage and dismissive after requesting an open discussion on a basically very ambiguous OP - I can also agree on the merit of having long-term vision for the game.

We all know where EvE is heading... they have a video out for that and DEV resources are being allocated towards this goal. This is, for all intensive purposes, the current long-term direction which has been pursued for some time now. Unfortunately, your ideas (as stated in one of your later posts) do not feature in this picture. However, that is not to say that instead of launching into EVE 2.0 discussions that some of your ideas could not be implemented on a local update scale.

There would be some interesting applications to your proposal using the existing mechanics of the game. For instance, let's take the 3 propulsion systems (which we currently have anyway) with the removal of 'Local' and the addition more interact-able objects in space. Add to that the zoom-out ability that could encompass the solar system and allow players to interact with the objects around them. However, let's consider this in a realistic, possible local update scale.

You could select a random point within the Solar System to warp to, be it middle of space, asteroid belts, planets, stations, nebulae, anomalies, sites (whatever) - you could use your mouse + click to set a destination/beacon (or more if you set waypoints across different areas of the solar system) and engage your warp drive to warp to that spot (this would be an option as long as the spot is off your current grid). This maintains the current mechanic of propulsions system 1 (measured in ship speed, or kilometers) which is used when you are out of warp, propulsion mechanic 2 (warp) and lastly gate travel, the third system. We will exclude the jump mechanic for now as it is closely linked to the tertiary system anyway.

Once you have landed on your desired location, you can zoom out again and use your scan, which could give you intel within your 360 deg scan range (beacons and ship icons would appear on your solar map) and you can select to warp to these icons also. Different ships would have different scan ranges and resolutions and certain aspects of the surrounding solar system could obscure your ability to scan certain areas or limit your sensor distance - for example, nebulae, planets or certain asteroid belts/ice fields. This may add to the 'strategy' of combat (ambushes and hiding fleets) and add to the emersion into the game perhaps.

Combine the above features with a more challenging and interactive AI and improvements to UI and you may have a semi-decent proposal on your hands that people might support or argue against in a constructive manner. Interesting fact: all of the above ideas have been posted and discussed already in so many other threads on this forum.

I bet every player could have their own version of EvE and what they would like to see in it, changes, improvements, fixes and so on. My suggestion is, that if you want us to understand or believe in your vision of the future of EvE be more specific, realistic and less condescending.

assuming standard human gestation period, you were "in development" for 9 months before your birthday.

So, does your birthday take that into account? no. It's the day you were shoved head-first out your mother's vagina. Thus, "in development" time is not inclusive in considering EVE's birthday (which happens to be 6th May, as already noted).

As for you thinking it's OK for you to flame the people with criticism of your ideas ... you're doing it wrong. Your goal at this point is getting people to agree that your ideas are "good" and worthy of CCP spending a significant amount of time on, to the detriment of other areas. At this point, you're not really doing that for a lot of people ... so, perhaps you should re-examine why you're getting the response you are getting, and seeing about bringing said people to your way of thinking...

No **** that a human is different than a software product ... however, we're talking about "birthday" and "age" ... so the comparison works.

Far as I can tell from CCP's websites, the game was in development for near 6 years (CCP founded in 1997, EvE released in 2003)...

@ OP

You have hit the target with this thread.
You have hit the target soo hard that only ppl that are against everything can argue with you.

Heh. Even if you're being sarcastic I like to think that I have. Nobody else seems to though, I guess EVE is just not ready to evolve into it's next form yet, because none of the players or the devs want it to. I really do hope it's soon though (couple years), I would hate to see EVE stay the same exact game for 20 years, I'm sorry folks but its just not that good. It's an okay game, but the physics and mechanics are boring IMHO.

Well said Aquila, I can't say the same for the guy you quoted though... that post of his was barely intelligible, but from what I could understand he seems to share my sentiment for a change needed in EVE.

I think the major changes I proposed can be slowly implemented and not require a complete abandonment of the current EVE, but yes there would be a lack of support for a while if CCP started creating a new engine for us to play on.

I can't agree more with the fact that the EVE playerbase is some of the most childish and stubborn I have ever seen. And that's quite evident by how quick people are to hate not only my ideas for changing EVE, but ANY ideas for changing EVE.

CCP if you are even considering evolving this game into the next generation, hire ME, and I will help your clueless devs come up with a new concept, as it seems the only things they can do are add game items and fix bugs. I'm sure this is actually because they, just like most of the players, don't want to build a new version of EVE, but come on.. isn't it about time?

Because insulting a company and claiming that you have the answers to everything (despite the clear responses to the contrary) is the best way to get hired by said company.

You said you wanted a new eve. Devs tried to give us that, and are still kinda trying, with Incarna and WiS. While they may have botched their first try, giving us a little teaser room to walk around in, they are still working on it. But I'll assume that you want more space stuff, like most eve players. Have you not heard about wormholes, sovereignty, POS's, all the new ships, the graphics upgrades, the industiral addition, the change in maps, new modules being added, all that stuff thats changed since day 1? I may not have been there, but in my short time of playing the game has changed. Its constantly changing, evgery update gives us something. Yes the changes may not be in one giant package and labelled as a new game, but they have been given to us, slowly and over time. The game now and what it was are two very different games. They have different looks, different activities, different ships, hell, even different tactics. The game we play now is Eve 2, just under the old label, which has been given a graphical update itself.
Now, the next things we know we're getting are a link to Dust 514, and fleshing out the interior of staions. While I agree, space barbies shouldn't take over and be the main point of playing Eve, but CCP has got to give us more to do. Sitting in a station, waiting for a fleet op to begin, waiting for your planets cycles to run out, waiting for your manufacturing or research timers to finish, and mining are incredibly boring tasks. How I see WiS working is something for us to do while sitting in stations. Make minigames, multiplayer ones that link to other people anywhere else in Eve, make things where we can watch stuff going on on the other side of the map. Just give us more to do, like youve been asking for, even though there is so much to do in Eve already.

I have a bit of trouble deciding on what you want. You want to change the core of the game whitch is a very broad spectre, but you wont reveal excactly what it is that you want to change, just something. And you also seem to agree with most of the counterarguments presented to you, whitch again is not excactly revealing what it is you want to change.

If you want to make EVE into a space-shooter, then I am opposed to this since EVE is way mutch more than just a generic space-shooter.

CCP is also constantly trying to improve on all aspects of the game, and they do this every year. So I might suggest trying another game for a couple of years, I've heard that X3 is very good. And then come back to possibly a new game.