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L3 or L4 missions?

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Sabuulia Cralc
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-12 08:07:06 UTC
A couple of quick questions for those missioners more experienced than I.

I am running L3's at the moment in a tech 2 fitted drake, and am experiencing little difficulty. I am skilling towards a tengu, and am probably 14 days away from an effective fit.

I can also pretty much tech 2 fit a raven, but would have to buy another one - been away for a while and its stuck in now not friendly null sec station.

Should I -

1. Make the iskies, buy the raven, run level 4's then make the iskies and move into the tengu?

or

2. Keep running level 3's and save for the tengu?

Also, I have a second account - am i better to use it for salvaging, or to run back from this account. Have a noctis for the purposes

Thanks!

Beltze Sorgin
BSSLD Explorations
#2 - 2012-03-12 09:58:06 UTC
I'd save for the Tengu then do L4's. Having an altnear by in a Noctis to loot is a good idea much better than going back & swapping ships.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#3 - 2012-03-12 10:19:00 UTC
Beltze Sorgin wrote:
I'd save for the Tengu then do L4's. Having an altnear by in a Noctis to loot is a good idea much better than going back & swapping ships.


that is simply wrong.

you do mission on both accounts and then get noctis and salvage. your alt will be wasting time sitting with noctis, and reshipping really takes 1 minute
Alfred Mahan
Task Force 42
#4 - 2012-03-12 11:47:15 UTC
nahjustwarpin wrote:
Beltze Sorgin wrote:
I'd save for the Tengu then do L4's. Having an altnear by in a Noctis to loot is a good idea much better than going back & swapping ships.


that is simply wrong.

you do mission on both accounts and then get noctis and salvage. your alt will be wasting time sitting with noctis, and reshipping really takes 1 minute


Then I have been doing it wrong for the last 2 years. Tried to fit some Rails on my Noctis and hull tank it, but it did not go well
Liz Arji
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-12 11:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Liz Arji
Sabuulia Cralc wrote:
Should I -

1. Make the iskies, buy the raven, run level 4's then make the iskies and move into the tengu?

or

2. Keep running level 3's and save for the tengu?

Why not start running L4s in your Drake to save for the Tengu? A fully T2 fitted Drake can handle them pretty well.
With L3s it takes you ages to get the ISK for a Tengu.

Also you can already get used to L4s, the drake is a bit more forgiving when it comes to little errors.
Raziel Walker
NPC Tax Evasion Corp
#6 - 2012-03-12 13:37:42 UTC
Level 4 missions are worth more as running level 3's. A drake has enough tank for level 4's but lacks dps so not sure what gives the most isk/hour.

I would run missions on one account and loot/salvage the completed missions with the second account but that is personal preference. Might also have to do with me always accepting faction missions so you need to loot to get tags in any case. (KoS to Gallente now though.)

Depending on what skills your second account alt has have him jump into a second drake instead. A second drake might allow you to pick up some speed doing level 4's. And you can still hop into a noctis to salvage missions while your main starts on the next site.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#7 - 2012-03-12 13:56:40 UTC
Sabuulia Cralc wrote:
A couple of quick questions for those missioners more experienced than I.

I am running L3's at the moment in a tech 2 fitted drake, and am experiencing little difficulty. I am skilling towards a tengu, and am probably 14 days away from an effective fit.

I can also pretty much tech 2 fit a raven, but would have to buy another one - been away for a while and its stuck in now not friendly null sec station.


Drop me a line in game. If your Raven is in a station that I *do* have access to then I'll make a deal with you that either (a) I'll fly it to an NPC station for you and contract it to you there for an agreed upon finders fee or (b) I'll pay you part of the value of the thing so you don't lose all your isk (win/win = we both profit).

Quote:

Should I -

1. Make the iskies, buy the raven, run level 4's then make the iskies and move into the tengu?

or

2. Keep running level 3's and save for the tengu?

Also, I have a second account - am i better to use it for salvaging, or to run back from this account. Have a noctis for the purposes

Thanks!



Well... some people here have done many MANY more missions than I ever have but I would say if you have a tengu and a noctis then add a prober to your gang and go run complexes instead. A couple of weeks ago I ran L4 missions full time for a couple of days to fix the sec status on one of my characters and made *maybe* 30mil per hour doing that, which is a pay-rate that I usually won't get out of bed for.

Lately, inspired by some regulars on this forum, I've been running plexes in low-sec (and the odd one in 0.0) and I've found that they pay on average about 60mil per hour. If you do that in Null sec you may find that it pays even double that. Thing with Plex-es is that it's not "steady".... the payout is much more random than missions.

For exmple, I ran one the other day that could have paid up to 1.5 billion and it payed me a whopping 7000 isk. The next one I ran paid me 25mil for 15 min of work and the one after that 150mil for an hour.... so if you go this route you need to look at things in the bigger picture than you might be used to.

T-
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#8 - 2012-03-12 14:00:19 UTC
*IF* you have second screen and can run second client *AND* have no other account to do missions with at the same time - invite yourself for 21 day trial and add plex.
This way you have lost nothing, and gained account that can do salvaging for you (in approx 2-3 days quite effectively).
If you have second account, then it's better to train it for tengu too, and do missions on both.
If you do missions for worthless LP exchange corp, then it's worth salvaging. (consider running missions and using that synergy corp that does salvaging for you).
If you have atleast 1500 isk/LP exchange, it's better just blitz all missions and just forget about drop.

And to answer your question - While in drake - stay with L3. When you get into Tengu with atleast 4 lvl subsystem skills and 5 lvl offencive, and at least lvl 4 missiles skills... go for L4 missions, but be carefull - some are very nasty. Read walkthrough before every mission until You'll be able to do them while sleeping.
Or just go wherever you want and blow up :)
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#9 - 2012-03-12 14:06:08 UTC
And to answer to all those who's saying do exploration -
*IF* you like scanning (which I don't).
*IF* you like unstable yet sometimes nice income (Which I don't).
*IF* you like traveling and don't want to have one base, and to get all your items around with you (what a mess it becomes!)
*IF* you like to think you're finaly found good plex and find out it was done by someone else (no thanks).
then go do exploration.

Me... I just blitz L4 missions with 2 accounts, both in perfect tengu's. My average income is 130-140 kk/hour, and that's not cherypicking missions.
Sabuulia Cralc
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-03-12 22:30:42 UTC
Ok, on the positive side it seems like the consensus is to stay in the drake until I hit the tengu.

As for using the second character for missioning and salvaging, they currently have zero combat skills - freighter and industrialist with salvaging abilities.

Should I therefore train them into another races ships, and increase my variability, or just go to two tengus over time?
drdxie
#11 - 2012-03-12 22:51:40 UTC
I would suggest put your pilot that can fly a raven in one, traing your other pilot for a drake. Dual box Lvl4's, and if you want, come back and salvage. Then train 1 for a Tengu and the other or a BS. I have found mission times are far quicker, if the aim is NOT to blitz, to use a Tengu for cruisers and BC's and a BS for BS the BC and its drones for frigs. Let the Tengu do as much of the tanking as possible.
Depending on where I mission, I will use a Tengu/NM or Tengu/Navy raven combo. A mach needs to much work and dual boxing on a laptop with just the laptop screen in window mode is enough work as it is.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#12 - 2012-03-13 03:08:33 UTC
Sabuulia Cralc wrote:
Ok, on the positive side it seems like the consensus is to stay in the drake until I hit the tengu.

As for using the second character for missioning and salvaging, they currently have zero combat skills - freighter and industrialist with salvaging abilities.

Should I therefore train them into another races ships, and increase my variability, or just go to two tengus over time?


yes, there's no need to jump between skills or waste money. Get tengu tright ahead.

Second char as salvager is just fine as long as you can play both accounts at once - either 2 screens or both on same screen taking half a space, it's your problem. but they should'nt overlap, because that makes problems sometimes, and slows you down.

The good thing about doing all missions with 2 characters in tengu's is that you don't have to worry about distance, target size or speed of the target. all other guns require either distance or size to be effective... and most missions does not match same setup.

So... If you want to be super effective, train tengu + machariel. but it won't always work because of different distances in all missions. Having 2 tengu makes that problem go away - you can do one mission with them both or run them separately on the missions of theyr own. And to be honest - average (!!!) dps of maxed tengu is not that far from average maximum dps possible.
Some will say it's double, others will scream it's even bigger, but fact is - I mean AVERAGE.
If you'll take time needed to possition projectile weapon ship in right distance, it will loose shitloads of dps while tengu can start shooting instantly, does'nt matter what, where, and why.

Your first step should be checking corporation LP shop you're doing missions for.
If you have 1500 isk/LP conversion rate or better - forget salvaging, train alt for tengu as fast as possible.
If not - change mission corp!
in the mean time you can try salvaging as you go, but the real salvage is only in lvl 4 and up. lvl 3 is just waste of time.

I'm running missions for over 2 years now, and I know few guys who's doing missions casualy, whatever where, i know few guys living in WH and 0.0. And I used to know guy who lived in low sec (he quit).
Fact is - I had to lend money for all of them at one or another point.
Yes, you might be better with exploration earning maybe even 2b per day, but then you'll go empty for a week, and it will suck.
With missions you have very steady income. you'll know how many hours you'll need for next plex, not just hope for success.

Well i'm lost where I'm going with this, so I'll just say - 2 tengu's, blitzing 4 lvl missions is the best way to go if you want to stick with missioning. Most important thing is to find good LP conversion item that would sell fast and in big quantities with maximum profit possible.
If you know none of this and are too lazy to do research, try buying this info. I might even sell few item names and corporations to work for with myself.
Sabuulia Cralc
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-03-13 04:44:37 UTC
Thanks for all the info Kiwi - it is much appreciated. Looks like tonight will be a research night - being based in Aust means that extended downtime will cut into my play time :)

Not much of a trader, but spreadsheets are us, here I come! I looked at the second account and can get it into a poorly fitted drake in a day, and it has Caldari Frigates V, so I will find a new corp to mission for and build them up together, rather than wait till I get the tengu's and then do it.

Have a high end laptop and four screens, so running multiple clients is not an issue to me. I actually have a third industry account that I am building that I could use to salvage - might see how i do running two accounts to begin with though.

I will see how my research pans out, and if the answer is not well, then I may ask you for a corp name in response to some ISK.
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#14 - 2012-03-13 12:04:54 UTC
if alt has no combat skills at all, my suggestion would be this -
get him into drake, and start maxing heavy missile skills.
Then, when you get into tengu, go to a mission, get agro, and then come in with drake to help.
Tho I'd be salvaging until he would be able to solo missions with tengu too...
And about third acccount - you won't be able to manage 3. 3 doing missions, not blitzing - maybe. with some delays. 2 accounts on missions and third on salvaging... you'd have to have very good multitasking skills (in real I mean) and be quick like hell.
I have only small 10-15 second breaks if i'm shooting 1m BS with both at the same time... and that happens not very often.
Besides, to be 100% concentrated on a game, and to feel that you're behind with something constantly will be bad for your moreale. I know, that happened to me.
I'm not saying don't get third account - it's up to you. I'm saying don't be 100% sure that you'll be using it to salvage. It can be too much for one to handle.