EVE General Discussion

I am going to just say you know very little about HQs and leave it at that. Again they look good on paper but poor in implementation.

Now about your "across the board" nerf. You don't seem to understand that will just make those with the money even more valuable and powerful. The MAIN thing that has to happen is attacking the bots on every level of the game. You can do a nerf of say a dock tax or some other BS and that will all together equal to maybe ONE bot lord.

Get them out of the game and the game will benefit. If you have to break up alliances that have "Dont report blue" rules so be it. Got to get serious about botting.

You got me wrong. My problem is not the payout of Incursions. My problem is where that payout is done. Highsec Incursions provide not only an alternative but even a counter to highsec multi account mining

Quite some time ago, before first botting and then Incursions helped a great deal to pump ISK into the wallets of _some_ players, a 30 day GTC could be bought for 140M. A miner could run 5 accounts and easily to get the 700M to maintain the accounts. The rest of the month he could move ISK into his wallet that was then (quite often) spend on BPOs

With the current PLEX prices you simply can't do that. Mining bots can but players can't

As a result mineral prices will keep going up. There is no inflation in EVE. That's just bullshit I never proposed to be the case. But there is a shift of income that hurts anybody (and new players the most as they can't run incursions) who wants to buy ships because they are the biggest mineral sink. As a result you pretty much force players who lose ships quite often to run Incursions or do some botting. We both know where the moon goo ISK goes too. Or where it should have went in Delve. (har har har

If you look into my corp wallet for sell orders (can you actually do that?) you will see why I personally have no interest in dropping mineral prices. I still believe that this is a big can of worms waiting to pop open. I care because I care about EVE

If you keep providing alternatives (that don't even require NPC standings) for highsec mining mineral prices will keep raising. If you drop the drone loot change on top of that all hell will break lose. For all what is holy, don't do the drone change that was reported (was that a hoax?) to be on chaos until you sorted highsec Incursions

Even if you change Incursions, as long as they stay in highsec for an extended period of time (more then a few hours), you still provide an alternative to mining that only very new players or a complete moron could reject

EDIT: This is quite funny. The function that was supposed to save my post from getting eaten by the forum worms stripped the last char of every paragraph. Did you fire your QA department?

People are losing ships in incursions. RIsk free my ass.

I'm just going to leave this here: Told you so.

*walks away with a satisfied smug grin*

You honestly consider LP conversion to ISK to be enough of a PITA that you don't include it in your personal ISK calculations, yet that's exactly how all the "high level missions" make the high level ISK they report. In other words, you can't make a lot more ISK in missions.

On that note though, I'd like to point out that the LP conversion for FW and Pirate missions in 0.0 is arbitrarily more irritating than high sec LP conversion. If these mission runners followed your personal philosophy regarding ISK vs LP, they'd make less ISK/hr than your average trit miner. They are essentially ISK neutral and require large quantities of external ISK to jump start the LP conversion process - and in the end both of them actually operate as large ISK sinks.

For reference, I'd estimate that including LP conversion and looting tags via a Marauder, its hard to make more than ~60M/hr running pirate missions - despite the fact its hostile/NPC 0.0 and you wreck your empire standings. ;-)

-Liang

Faction war missions you get no bounties at all. It is entirely an isk sink.

edit: It used to be an isk sink when people ran them. Now people just run high sec incursions to make better isk :)

You don't have to pay "less" explicitly... just don't pay ISK. Pay in something the market can put a pricetag on instead of trying to tell the market what ISK is worth.

I don't care if you think I am biased or not. All I care about these days is if you are going to start actually using the report bot function or just blame something else.

As for numbers that is likely waiting for a dev blog. Or a tweet. And how will you factor in the Anom nerf and boost? How will you factor in bots and bot growth?

You would need a hell of alot more data than a couple of before and after charts. I only care about the fact that as of recently bounties are injecting several times the isk as Incursions and that in my opinion a large chunk of that is bot based. If all I cared about what "NERF IT ALL!" Why am I not supporting the rumored bounty nerf? As an incursion runner I should be jumping for joy at the thought of nullsec folks getting punished no? I am not because while large alliances do need a change the bounty nerf will harm legit players a hell of alot more than bots.

Because you'd have more people doing assaults & HQ's if their ISK/hour were mre on par with Vanguards... if it were not for the time to set these fleets up they are ALOT more fun then Vanguards and more ships are lost more often because of the higher Alphas. The less ISK/ hour because they are not such a grind makes them worth it but talking people into doing them with the extreme dispaity in profit per hour always makes it a difficult proposition especially for NCN's

Well as more than a few people have pointed out, ISK entering the game right now isn't a problem. What I suggested doesn't need to be applied globally... I'm just saying it could be. I totally agree though, deflation of any kind would actually be a bad thing, and is a lot more dangerous than inflation because if deflation go out of control it would really wreck the game experience.