EVE General Discussion

I have another objection on this notion. That number includes money from bots because of reasons that where refused to expose by a well known ex-goon currently employed by CCP Games. If you want to talk about how big the effect of incursions relative to all ISK springs looks like, you have to make the numbers without the hopefully soon to be gone bot-ISK-printers.

So, how big is the pie pice of incursions without the artificial bot-bloat?

We have the actual numbers on how much isk incursions are adding to the economy every month.

After we get these sorts of facts, unsupported conclusory opinions no longer really count for much.

Its sort of like telling people "the guy wasn't hurt too bad" after we all saw the video of the alligator tearing off his arm.

Did you not read above? I am against VG Blitzing (Tho due to a different reason than Inflation obviously)

However they are fine the way they are compared to botting.

Hmm. I wrote this well before Incursions hit: http://wp.me/p1WQ0O-b - you could potentially use it to enlighten yourself. I'd say that the only thing I want to emphasize is just how much of a massive PITA it is to convert LP to ISK instead of just getting straight ISK. There's just a lot of infrastructure involved in transporting all the tags and setting up the buy/sell orders and contracts - and that LP conversion is a form of straight market PVP.

Also, you only get 20M ISK/hr running missions? Really?

-Liang

Why the hell would we boost assault and HQ isk rewards when we need to reduce the flow of isk into the game?

Is it too early to jump on the "null-sec anom running bots are ruining the economy" bandwagon?

I'm reasonably confident that it isn't as black and white as that, as it sounds like they are indirectly nerfing the income from vanguards (the real incursion money maker) - and after all CCP wouldn't risk boosting the incurbears risk free income - not when a very large chunk of the player base is already pissed off about it.

NOPE can't see any bias you have against hi sec making ISK. Here let me throw it back at you: How about nerfing Tech moons ( making moons run dry eventually and having Drones randomly poop moon goo even in HI SEC ) and having a harder nerf to bounties in NULL SEC because obviously the biggest bots are operating in impunity protected in the depths of SOV space

/sarcasmMode

No... that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter, and you can't pull Incursions out of the equation and isolate them and blame everything on them. A moderate rate of inflation is actually healthy for this economy and is to be expected from the way the EvE market functions. Runaway inflation is the risk of any mechanic that pays a player directly in ISK. If the market cannot control or even influence a source of ISK, than hell yes inflation is going to accelerate!

OK... so here is why I am getting miffed: people are isolating their own mechanic of choice and trying to blame runaway inflation on that. It's the botters, or it's the missions, or it's the null NPCs, or... in your case... it's Incursions. All of these mechanics are doing the SAME DAMN THING and that is give players ISK - which is given it's relative value by the MARKET - directly, and without any regard for how the market has valued the ISK. I mean this is economics 101 stuff! Where is CCP's economist? Doesn't that guy take a look at anything? Doesn't he have a DOCTORATE in this smack? If a RL comparison must be made I would say EvE is like an emerging market. If you keep giving people ISK for nothing the economy is going to react like Germany's did in the 30's or Greece's looks right now. It's not sustainable, because (in our context) the NPCs think they control the market and can just print ISK without producing anything, which is in effect a tax on the rest of us through inflation. The problem is, as with Greece, there's only so much the free economy can sustain until the ISK is devalued so much it is worthless. Now in EvE, we have the ability to do something NO OTHER ECONOMY can reasonably do... and that is reverse the process. Specifically, instead of paying for Incursions in ISK, we pay in something else.

As a hypothetical, what if there was some new component required in every ships hull. What if in order to build anything, you needed "Element-X'. Now what if Element-X was paid by NPCs to mission runners or incursion fleets? What if the amount of element-X entering the game was pegged to the production of the element zydrine, and pilots only received their fraction of the total pot for the work they did that day missioning or whatever on a percentage basis? All of a sudden, you would have the market regulating ALL of the ISK faucets in the game. Now don't get caught up in details. It doesn't have to be called "Element-X" and it doesn't need to be integrated into industry in that way. I'm just saying if all this free ISK goes away and you are given something else for your effort (f***ing LP points or whatever) everything WILL take care of itself. The market will self regulate and balance itself and missions, rats, and incursions will pay as much as they can for the number of people running them, adjust accordingly like it does now with mining or anything else, and CCP won't have to do a damn thing about it ever again.

Best solution to that. Report all bots even blue ones.