EVE General Discussion

Incursions because they screw up risk reward balance.
Nerf incursion then we can talk about nerfing bounties.

It wasn't what I was asking, but you did indirectly answer it. No, you do not participate in incursions, and they in fact are relatively lessening your income a little bit, but you are quite certain from an unbiased standpoint that they need nerfed. Coincidentally, so does Scissors.

The only thing coming out of nullsec of late is 'nerf highsec, nerf wormholes, lowsec is fine, buff nullsec' with little regard to the fact that you need income to support a PvP lifestyle, and if you nerf highsec enough, all you're going to accomplish is that the only way to get out of highsec is in the arms of an entrenched and bloated nullsec coalition.

Except if the payment for said job doesn't rise with the rising costs of things, your point is moot. When was the last time you got a "raise" in EVE. Level 4s pay the same as they ever did, yet everything costs more.

Edit: Ok fine "industrialists" might get raises, but marketeers (assuming price margin remains the same even though the actual price of an item rises), mission runners, and ratters don't see any increase in the rewards for their effots.

Bottomline: Nerfhammer Incursions PLEASE

Read this and then read this. You clearly haven't read a thing I've said.

My point is precisely that anywhere the EvE system is paying people directly in ISK for something there is a problem. I don't want to nerf incursions. I want to remove all EvE system ISK payouts entirely and replace them with something you can sell on the market. It's the only way to achieve any kind of balance that doesn't require CCP to constantly intervene. My point isn't moot you just didn't read anything in this thread.

BTW - I get raises in EvE every day the market inflates. So do most people. The only people who's paychecks don't keep pace with inflation are people who play exclusively PvE content. Your knowledge of market mechanics explains why you keep getting passed up for that raise...

Where does the idea to nerf highsec (and just highsec) ever come in the minds of people wanting to fix inflation? NPC bounties are much, much more plentiful in nullsec than in highsec, incursions pay out a lot more in dangerous areas than highsec. Even ship deaths you may suffer while generating NPC bounties end up adding even more ISK into the economy.

incursions broke the economy and most of them get run in empire. This is why it sounds like a nerf highsec call.

Seems like Soundwave just promised us that he won't be nerfing Incursions but will instead focus on bounties via ratting, anoms, and missions. I'm very curious how that's gonna pan out - I suppose that there's (theoretically?) an absolute cap to the Incursion faucet, so it'll really emphasize the income differential between high sec Incursions and other high end activities like L5s and high level WH ops.

I guess the net result is that high sec incursion runners will become even more fantastically wealthy compared to everyone else, and Shiny Fleet will be the only way to make ISK at it?

It'll be interesting!

-Liang

The real solution is not to try to pin the nerf to one specific area of the game, as there isn't a specific mechanic causing the inflation singularly. It's to do an all around slight nerf to income, which will result in a net no-change to people's wealth.

The thing that's not helping is people trying to bandwagon this as another nerf-highsec thread.

Do you believe that running pirate missions in 0.0 should be more profitable than high sec incursions?

-Liang

You are off base. The same labor that could be used for raw material production, goes to ISK faucets, because ISK faucets are worth more per unit of time. It is the allocation of labor (time) that is the issue, not the lack of it. Player time in game is the only truly limited resource in Eve. it is the allocation of this time that is the heart of the issue. What is actually spent by players is not ISK, it is their time. They will gravitate to the activities that generate the most wealth per unit of time, wealth, not ISK.

As far as minerals go, an activity that creates ISK also creates minerals by way of drones and loot. If that loot and drone droppings were not there, all of the labor (time and effort expended) would need to be consumed by mining to keep prices at the current level. If the only thing generated from shooting rats was ISK, then the wealth of minerals must come from someplace else, must come from a different allocation of player time.

Mineral prices are held artificially low because the time spent gaining ISK, also gains minerals. Mineral prices should be significantly higher than they are. The inflation in Eve is not a problem of prices going up, the problem is that not all prices are going up to meet the expansion of the monetary base. If those mineral prices can go up, THEN people will mine more. The problem is they are not mining more because those prices aren't able to go up as quickly as they should be. When the mineral prices are high enough, and reach wealth per time parity with faucet activities, then the expansion of the monetary base will slow.



Your lack of comprehension is not my problem. Crack a book, I recommend some Bastiat.



You read it wrong, I did not state mining did represent "sucking at the great ISK tit", I said it did not. Shooting rats is the big suck.