EVE General Discussion

Finally, NOW can we please stop the nerf Incursion threads! Do adjustments need to be made, absolutely, but to constantly place all EVE's economic problems on a small groups of players running Incursions is a bit of a stretch.

As for the inflation, you wanted a mining buff here it is! Trit selling at 5 ISK a pop! Nice!

Trade bots manipulating the market?

Even if you were right and I was trying to distract the community from the bot problem (even though you're using the bot problem to get the focus away from the incursion ISK fountain, pot meet kettle) CCP Sreegs would still be looking for bots to squish. There goes your tinfoil hat theory.

Oh, and did you know that there are just as many, if not a lot more bots running l4s in hisec?

If you are considering "everything", how about this "magic solution" -
* Nerf highsec income by alot, since they barely have any expenses and are a major part of cluttering up the economy with liquid (shouldn't greater risk = greater reward too? but that's more a moral question)
* Promote PvP, PvP is not only fun and something that used to be a part of this game, today it's just superblob A vs superblob B, where either blob rolls over and packs up, moves to highsec and make massive isk, while the other blob amasses supers
(i.e., shouldn't smallscale PvP, risks in highsec, etc, be on your main agenda and not the bullshit blob promotions, ****** blob-super-promotions, incursion- and missionrunning junk you do atm be alot better for the game as a whole?)

So yeah, I call your "considering everything" a bullshit statement. I think what you really mean is: "we consider everything, that goes along with what we want to achive, which is a viable system to keep massive amounts of carebears in highsec (more subs!) and superblobs in null (because we think laggy blobs is fun!), while completely ignoring what made EVE so great, the player driven economy and smallscale PvP, where skills/tactics actually matters".

Just admit you sold out for more subscribers, it's already blatantly obvious and you really have bottom cred among the players already. Might as well win some back by being honest. So yeah, you want to gamble with EVE's future by having potentially gamebreaking models (carebear blobs who spends no isk, and massive nullsec blobs who kills all PvP), in order to get more subs. Short-term you win, long-term.. your chances of success is not very high.

At nearly zero risk, with nearly zero isk spent on market (if you compare with low- and nullsec inhibitants).

Wrong. PvP is an isk faucet due to insurance. Try harder.

This should be the way it works.

The problem is that the various sources of income seem to be somewhat out of balance, more so than they have been in the past. If the biggest easy income source drives up the prices, then the rest have to work harder to keep their head above water. So we all have to become incursion runners (or whatever FOTM), at least part time, and every other "profession" becomes a redundant hobby.

If the inflation is caused by one job standing head and shoulders above the rest, then the answer to every noob question "Is it profitable to do X?" becomes "No, run incursions", and we end up with a more boring homogeneous game.

As long as there are a number of viable professions, inflation shouldn't be a problem at all, and the game will remain fun.

It's the risk vs reward that grates on a lot of people though, the focus has shifted from null when the anomalies were nerfed to high sec. If incursion runners weren't farming the vanguard sites like they are there probably wouldn't be so many cries against incursions as there are currently.

That is true if you ignore that highsec Incursions provide an alternative to multi account highsec mining. One generates ISK the other doesn't (so much, there are still insurance payouts as indirect mineral buy orders).

You further ignore that income inequity can amplify an inflation tendency. ISK in EVE works different then on Earth. On our (still quite) lovely planet money is created with dept. When dept and money meet both vanish. In EVE money creation is accumulative. Look into the wallets of folk that run Incursions on a regular basis and tell us what you see. And then assume that this number keeps ticking up because there is no ISK sink a pure Incursion runner has to fuel. There are many who ignore the CONCORD LP shop and as such have no ISK sink at all.

If you prod you buy BPOs. If you take space you pay sov bills. (it's quite amusing to say that to an ex-goon :)

Incursion runners don't have any bills to pay. Their wealth keeps accumulating. As a result inflation can go into 2nd gear and hurt all those who got a low income. There is good reason why trit and pyerite keeps going up. You must be a complete moron to keep mining in highsec when you can make the same ISK in a fraction of the time.

I will have no problem to sell Drakes for 70M ISK a pop. I'm not sure if noobs will enjoy those prices tho. You need quite a few SP to be competitive in Incursions. So the income of noobs relative to prices will keep dropping. I'm a massive troll, so I will enjoy the whining of noobs who can't afford their BCs anymore. But then I'm not getting payed by some icelandic company. How about you?