EVE General Discussion

L5s aren't nearly as bad since they're mostly LP-based, with a healthy helping of tags that further feeds the LP spendings of other players.

Very true, also, if you can't match incursion income running level 5s, you're not running level 5s very well.

The biggest problem with incursion payouts as they are (and no, it hasn't obsoleted everything else in the game, nor can it simply because of the fact that there are a very finite number of sites that can be run in 1 system, more than 60-70 in a system and you're dropping sites faster than they can spawn) is that the LP market is absolutely ****. In their attempt to turn LP stores into isk sinks, CCP set a minimum price on everything in them, and by making tags so much harder to get than LP, and required for so many of the mods in their stores, they end up in a place where a massive part of the income from missions (as well as what they could have potentially shifted incursions towards to lower the impact on inflation) is worthless.

A few years ago someone who knew what they were doing could blitz missions and pull 100mil/hour in highsec running lvl 4s, but a large part of that was LP. With the LP/tag imbalance being as bad as it is, this is no longer possible, and you'd be lucky to pull 60-70, which is a pity because the easiest way to fix the inflation problem in incursions would be to shift more of the reward to LPs and add more rewards, but, looking at what's there now, the artificial floor on the prices is set too high for there to be much demand for the rewards currently there, and the LP is mostly useless.


Also vanguards need a nerf, assaults need a notable buff and HQs need a slight buff.

Yes, I meant “not nearly as bad“ in the sense that L5s, while high-paying, didn't inject all that much ISK into an already ISK-rich economy. In fact, L5s were probably decent net ISK sinks, all told, back when the LP market cycle was in working order.

I didn't mean it in the sense of “not nearly as bad [as you say] for earning money”. You're probably quite right in saying that they've lost ground to incursions, since there are some distinct similarities, and this just further highlights the problems incursions cause.

Best way to deal with this is to continue sitting in null running your bots full time while keeping everyone focused on incursions.

Hold on...y'all are already doing that.

Carry on.

Mr Epeen

"Inflation!"

"Why you keep using that word... I do not think it meaans what you think it means."

Look, inflation hurts only a few classes of people: Old People, Children, people on some types of welfare or fixed income, and the poor.

What do they have in common? Unemployment.

You have a job in EvE... we all do. Inflation is a non-factor because everyone (but people who only play NPCs and f-em anyway) will see their income go up proportionally with the inflation of the currency. It's totally a non-issue!

Edit:
You know why you can't speak about the EvE economy in normal economic terms? On reason is there isn't support for the kind of high leverage speculation we have IRL. Sure you can buy up tons of trit expecting it to go up, and that is a type of speculation... but it's not the same. I can't, for instance, buy 5.5 ISK trit options contracts at 0.4 ISK a pop. If we were allowed to do options trading or could have real margin accounts than we would see the wild market fluctuations we see in commodities like oil IRL. In this sense the EvE economy can only break so much. Inflation in EvE is simply a factor of EvE population. The only way to recess or depress the economy is for fewer people to play (this would actually cause hyper-inflation initially), ( <-- this actually depends on what people do with the ISK before they leave. I suppose it's possible they give all their ISK away, in which case you might end up with a bunch of super-rich people which could cause prices to get really out of controll and all over the board ex. 20 mil ISK ravens because everyone can afford a BPO and the demand is anemic, 40 billion ISK jump freighters because no one takes the time to build them) or for CCP to introduce more ISK sinks.

We're looking at the economy constantly and looking at our options.

One of the fundamental issues we have is that we're making everyone "better" at making money, so the effect kind of snowballs. Right now we're considering everything form increasing taxes to lowering bounties across the board.

or maybe do the 1 thing you KNOW will regulate the flow...

Switching Incursions from ISK to LP payout...


Or tell the Sansha to go home...

Decrease null sec bounties by 10%, low sec by 20% and high sec by 50%.

IB4 high sec tears.

Incursions in high sec are 0 risk maximum reward money makers, they help cause imbalances to so many aspects of eve. I doubt a change will affect subs, they're to New to have a specific fan base and many running them are old mission running alts to pay for pvp mains.

10 plus days old? Dead and buried. Ten days is forever in bot world as you well know. There is a whole new generation of Bee bots dispersing through 0.0 as we speak. This too, you well know.

What are you trying to distract everyone from? No need to answer. We already know.

Mr Epeen