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Yet another give me critique on my pos setup thread.
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Rhiil
BlackWater Mining Inc.
#1 - 2012-03-11 12:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhiil
Hello New Eden, as you might have figured from the subject, I'm looking for some critique on the pos setup I am planning to put up in W-space. I'm looking at using it in a C1 for me and my friend to muck about.

(Minmatar Control Tower Small)

Corporate Hangar Array (Offline)
Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Medium AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Ship Maintenance Array (Offline)
Small Artillery Battery (Online)
Small Artillery Battery (Online)
Small Artillery Battery (Online)
Small AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Small AutoCannon Battery (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery (Online)
Stasis Webification Battery (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery (Online)
Warp Disruption Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
CPU Usage: 250 / 1500 (16,67%)
PG Usage: 1058750 / 1093750 (96,80%)


As you can see I'll offline the hangar array and the SMA, when I log off or when I don't need them for an extended period of time.

I'm thinking about splitting the guns/ewar up into two groups, one on top of the shields, one on the bottom.

Thanks
Rhiil
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2012-03-11 20:33:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
It is pretty hard to defend a small tower, even in a C1. You'd be better off with a medium.

I'm not a fan of CHA. For 40% more CPU you get 43% more storage with a Small Ship Assembly Array, or for 50% less power you get 43% less storage with a Component Assembly Array. CAA can also be used to make fuel blocks.

But as you are on-lining the CHA as needed, it is up to you.

Don't anchor what you can't afford to lose.

Spread the modules out!

Start with 6 modules:
* Primary Modules: Top, Bottom, North, South, East, West
If you still have modules (24 more):
* Secondary Modules: N, S, E, W of a primary module you anchored above. Form a square with a primary module at the center.
If you still have modules (6 more):
* Tertiary modules: Start at the same spot as the primary module, but anchor further away from the force field. Form a pyramid.

After that it gets more complex (moving along diagonals), but you won't have that many modules to anchor on a small tower.

Large layout by the numbers (post #262):
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=817184&page=9#262
Rhiil
BlackWater Mining Inc.
#3 - 2012-03-12 00:58:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhiil
Thanks for the info and that link. Smile

Yeah as far as choosing a small tower, I'm thinking that if someone wants me gone, they'll incap it whether it's a med or a small. With the pos tower itself and especially the posmods being cheap I can just get out what I'm able to and then let them kill the stick.

~100m isn't all that much of an investment for me.

Just have to find that empty wormhole system... Blink
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-12 01:09:43 UTC
If you are going to go with a tower, even in a C1 go at least medium. Medium dickstar will likely not get burned down as nobody is going to bother when they can't bring anything over a BC in to begin with. The cost is not much more and you can easily pay for itself even in a C1
discordigant
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-03-12 08:20:13 UTC
I will offer a little advice, take it with a grain of salt if you like..

Firstly don't be one of those people that believes people attacking your tower will only have BC's to attack you with. If you have got too much attractive ISK for them to possibly receive, they can and do build ninja towers to build BS's to take you out. This is generally used as a tactic as a lot of C1's are used by people to Do T3 reactions and production and finding good C1's empty may be an issue.

Again this doesn't sound like it will be what you and your mate are going to be doing so not so much of an issue, I would recommend only using a large tower (I use multiple large towers as backup security and for other reasons). But if you don't want to invest that much just keep your ISK footprint low, and by that i mean haul out all your sleeper loot often.

You may even want to create safe spots and anchor secure containers to keep loot in.

Also i assume you want a C1 to farm sites in? They will run out and you will find yourself with times of nothing at all to do. What most people do is find a WH with a static they want to farm so they always at their will have access to systems to farm. A C2 with a C1 static sounds more like what you will want, they will either come with a HS or a LS static as well.

Finally just buy the hole it will save you so much wasted time looking and you can recoup the purchase cost in a night easily. There is a plenty of people that will scam you in a WH sale and the only people i will recommend is TAGGART WH SALES AND BROKERAGE, i have bought 2 WH's through them and sold afew empty statics i have come accross also, and its hassle free and trusted. Simply add them to a mail list and you get mails dailly from them with new WH's they have listed or look at the spreadsheet i will link as there is a few systems already for sale that would suit you. There is another WH broker in sales thread but i have personally never used him and don't really see a lot of activity from him.





https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=9388


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah0sgrLMBOEtdFpKY29XNndfSy1jSk96X2kyckF6SXc#gid=0
Rhiil
BlackWater Mining Inc.
#6 - 2012-03-12 12:58:38 UTC
Thanks for the pointers discordigant, I'll look into that WH broker. I am finding it hard locating an empty C1.
KevLor I
Zephyr Corp
#7 - 2012-03-12 16:26:47 UTC
If you are looking for an empty C1 and decide not to buy one, locate a WH (occupied or not) that has a static to a C1. This is more often than not a C2. Leave your main or an alt (and you will need at least two decently trained scanning toons) in the C2 and scan down the new C1 each day. This can make the process much quicker than trying to find one each day from hi-sec.

Also, decide whether you want a static to hi sec or not. It can create quite a bit more traffic, and running sites is much riskier with a hi sec static, and mining can be disrupted every time someone enters and starts scanning. If you chose a C1 with a HS, be aware that the new Tier 3 BCs have made C1s much less secure. I would not go with anything smaller than a medium tower if you have a HS static, as it is little effort to bring in a BC fleet, bash a small tower into reinforcement, hang around and bash it again, then scan your way out. People will get bored and do it just to do it, not isk. The trick is to make it more boring to bash than to do something else. The difference between a small and medium tower is quite a bit in bashing time, not to mention you can put more hardeners, etc on it.

In either case, you want to maximize nuisance vs. DPS on your setup - ECM and hardeners over guns. Not that you don't want any guns (don't make it pain free), but they will not be the deciding factor.
discordigant
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-03-12 20:40:14 UTC
KevLor I wrote:
If you are looking for an empty C1 and decide not to buy one, locate a WH (occupied or not) that has a static to a C1. This is more often than not a C2. Leave your main or an alt (and you will need at least two decently trained scanning toons) in the C2 and scan down the new C1 each day. This can make the process much quicker than trying to find one each day from hi-sec.

Also, decide whether you want a static to hi sec or not. It can create quite a bit more traffic, and running sites is much riskier with a hi sec static, and mining can be disrupted every time someone enters and starts scanning. If you chose a C1 with a HS, be aware that the new Tier 3 BCs have made C1s much less secure. I would not go with anything smaller than a medium tower if you have a HS static, as it is little effort to bring in a BC fleet, bash a small tower into reinforcement, hang around and bash it again, then scan your way out. People will get bored and do it just to do it, not isk. The trick is to make it more boring to bash than to do something else. The difference between a small and medium tower is quite a bit in bashing time, not to mention you can put more hardeners, etc on it.

In either case, you want to maximize nuisance vs. DPS on your setup - ECM and hardeners over guns. Not that you don't want any guns (don't make it pain free), but they will not be the deciding factor.


Well access to your static is entirely up to you after all, if you don't activate a warp to your static WH it will remain closed on both sides, the second you click warp to or someone that comes in from a random WH clicks warp to it opens on both sides. Then your only safety concern is random WH's opening to you.