EVE General Discussion

Sure there was. Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected?

i want WiS it looks awesome. primarily because of that dust 514/eve trailer where in the beginning the one dude is standing at this huge window looking out into space i wanna be able to do that and see other ships off station floatin around thatd be so awesome

You have to admit it is confusing.

We were just trying to get used to the idea that team Avatar was working on WiS, and this comes out with significant UI and other changes being accredited to you guys.

Some useful stuff there, yes. Glad to see that.

How does your team relate to CCP Punktoris' team?

Was this a pitch in effort? Like how Atlanta pitched in during the crucible development?

CCP has somewhat self-selected some of the biggest ingrates and rat-bastards (said with love for you all in my heart, I promise) as their player base, although thankfully not all are. In addition, there seems some consistent trend for self-harm (you folk could use some help in the PR dept, hope this new marketing guy is on top of that).

I am a little surprised that the response shocks you.

Try not to let it get you down though, there actually is a lot of support for you (Team Avatar) even if there is a confusion and apprehension about what is this plan and what you are working on.

So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs.

The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'.

Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.

The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003.
Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content.
CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production.
Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation.
CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time.
The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good.
CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose.
Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications.
CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'.
Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation.
CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts.
Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base.
Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues.
Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."

Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.


Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer.

By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?

Just checking if I understand this correctly.

CCP spent several years and tons of money and work hours on delivering a 10 square meter broom closet where you can use the same features as you already could through the station buttons. Plus the fantastic feature of having your avatar sit on a sofa watching commercials on TV.

And after all these millions and years spent, they're still in the phase where they're considering thinking about trying to come up with a plan for figuring out which WiS features would be nice to implement? And the token group of people who sometimes think about this while eating their lunch, have several other tasks with higher priority?

OK, this has probably been beaten to death, but I've been away for some time... But coming back to find they just added a balcony where I can stare at my ship, which remains interesting for around 0,4 seconds (didn't some dev stress that they require high replayability in the additions?), leaves me unimpressed.

So yes, I'm pretty much ranting about something everybody agrees is broken.

You allways forget one thing.
That 18 months was for carbonization of EVE.
That's what majority of EVE DEVs worked on.
Just look at how much of EVE code was rewritten and pushed out after that "18 months". You can see numerous bugs that appeared in all things that worked before and on the first look that did not seem like they touched it. You can see it that after "Incarna" list of CCPs technologies appeared on CCP web page all named with "Carbon" prefix. You can see it in tests of many "Carbon" things and putting it in game, like UI, like inventory, and stuff like that.
They had to rewrite 8 years of old messy python code and rewrite it in C on all crucial parts of the game because it take 10 times more time for new programmers to find head and tale in that code and to implement something.

You see how they can magically change many things over night that they could not before???
Yea, thats because of it.

Their error was that they did not tell that to player base, maybe because some ppl would quit .

In that time one part of the staff worked on WiS (majority of designers) and they just didn't have time to make WiS and create what they advertise.

So please don't tell me they worked on WiS all that much.
In 2 years (after pre production) you can make all new game from nothing.

Dear CCP,

keep on working on incarna the social-economic perspective to EVE and ignore those who won´t understand. But it clear there is much todo in space and other areas from envolving and developing perspective.

FiS Eve = Spaceship pew pew.

Dust = Walking around pew pew.

WiS Eve = Walking around... erm... yeah... just walking around. Doing jack all.

Let Incarna die, dont waste any more time, instead use the technology to let my capsuleer grab guns and pwn the CoD fanboys on Dust.

Don,t blame mister Harlot having so much alts ,its easy to think that you are 99% of the playerbase

There is an easy way for us to show CCP how many players want Wis work and how many do not.

All those who want WiS work: Keep your CQ turned on. Spread the word to others who do not read the forums. CCP knows how many players have it on so this will give them a direct measure of WiS interest.