EVE General Discussion

ECM is poor game design, any mechanic that leaves a person completely useless

Yes this is an argument as old as the hills, but to summarise:

1. It is common for people to have dedicated ECM alts. This is a typical sign of an OP mechanic
2. ECM does not scale in fleet fights, but completely ruins, solo and small gang engagements
3. Has anyone seen the sabre/falcon gate camp. Did you just say risk free pvp.....

Seriously address this now please

EDIT:
OK missed one because I was mad

4. ECM does not have an effective counter, (lol sensor strength)..

So far the only pro-current-ECM answer that I can actually agree with is:

"ECM was designed to hurt solo and small scale PvP. It worked perfectly.

Learn to blob or gtfo.

<-------------- WoW is that way."

Would love for a dev to comment on that.

and why do you think people keep whining.... Is it because ECM is a thoroughly beautiful balanced mechanic, that brings a fun dynamic to the game?

er.. no.

Also I have never seen CCP's position on ECM (expcept when they nerfed the falcon's range) and would be interested in engaging in iterative discussion with them, now they have discovered internet spaceships again.

Ha Ha Ha Ha, you're a funny guy. Post with your main.

Fit 1 ECCM, or maybe 2 ECCM, or maybe 3 ECCM, or maybe 4 ECCM. Problem solved you are immune to ECM.
Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut waaaaaaaaaaait, you dont fit ECCM because you want to do damage AND have nice tank AND have a scrambler AND have damage mods AND have tracking mods AND have a sweet damage control for your hull AND have a webber AND have a MWD AND ... AND ... AND ... AND ... AND. So you prefer ANOTHER ECM nerf to make the module useless (ECM nerfs have already happened). You just want to do anything and not be able to get jammed.

Pilots that are good at pvp know that ECCM is almost a must much like MWD or AB is a must. Maybe tomorrow you dont even like that (having to fit a MWD) and ask for a nerf on that also. L2pvp imo.

Oh feel free. After all, anecdotal evidence beats real math any day of the week, as exemplified by your EC-300s permajammed my dual ECCM Abbadon example.

ECM is fine. Bring more friends.

Well, according to real math you will get jammed with ECCM, too

Because ECCM doesn´t reduce the effect of ECM, but it merely reduces the probability of occurence. And the probability is even with ECCM high enough to successfully jam the target

Because no one uses a single ECM module, everyone -being aware that this is game mechanic relying on probability- uses several to make sure it will have an effect. And unfortunately the math makes it clear that you don´t need that much to get a satisfying result. A flight of light ecm-drones will still retain a 70% chance of jamming you, even if you try to use ECCM to protect you. And they aren´t exactly the most effective ECM weapon available

This is the reason no one uses ECCM. In any conceivable pvp situation that is really happening on a regular base in eve, it is completely useless, you waste a slot or more and get jammed anyway. Of course you can get lucky, but you can get lucky without ECCM as well, and it doesn´t have enough of an effect to make much of a difference.

Yes. thank you for sharing with the rest of us that ECM is chance based. And the probability of a flight of EC-300 jamming a dual ECCM Abbadon is 6.2%. Now you calculate the chance of it beeing permajammed (say 10 cycles in a row).

I had two falcons set their jammers on my poor liitle bomber that had no ECCM. They failed to get a single jam and I killed the hulk anyway

I considered killing them too but I felt the shame of not only failing to jam me but having their lives spared to be the greater punishment.