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So, Market Bots
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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-11 17:41:26 UTC
They're obviously always been there, but to me it looks like they are becoming a lot more prevalent. I also imagine they are a lot harder to detect. The speed and consistency some prices change in the market looks very much like it's been automated somewhere.

Question is what is being done about it?

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Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#2 - 2012-03-11 17:43:34 UTC
Might be able to find out in one of the other 1000 posts about this subject.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-11 17:44:35 UTC
Minabunny wrote:
Might be able to find out in one of the other 1000 posts about this subject.


Unless you have a link, may as well STFU I guess

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Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#4 - 2012-03-11 17:46:11 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:
Minabunny wrote:
Might be able to find out in one of the other 1000 posts about this subject.


Unless you have a link, may as well STFU I guess



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-03-11 17:48:39 UTC
Minabunny wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:
Minabunny wrote:
Might be able to find out in one of the other 1000 posts about this subject.


Unless you have a link, may as well STFU I guess



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search


Guess counting and following simple instructions are beyond your capabilities. So I guess you should still STFU.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#6 - 2012-03-11 17:49:55 UTC
hhttps://Idonthavelinkeither.com.aspx?g=nolink

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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-03-11 17:50:14 UTC
There are people who spent 12 hours a day at the weekends and lets be honest during the week updating each order they have 0.01 at a time. They start at the top of their order list and then work there way to the bottom. when they finish they just start at the top again.


Everyone likes different things. and this is the small time period before their inevitable suicide


I hope that clears up the issue for you
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-11 17:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Whippy
Karn Dulake wrote:
There are people who spent 12 hours a day at the weekends and lets be honest during the week updating each order they have 0.01 at a time. They start at the top of their order list and then work there way to the bottom. when they finish they just start at the top again.


Everyone likes different things. and this is the small time period before their inevitable suicide


I hope that clears up the issue for you



People use the market properly = Market bots don't exist.

Right got it. Or maybe you're a ******?

I'm going to go with the latter.

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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#9 - 2012-03-11 17:57:36 UTC
Check my signature thread. Would be a wonderful solution and improve trade even for real human players by A LOT. Lol

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#10 - 2012-03-11 18:00:33 UTC
Rumor has it, things are being done about them - Linkage

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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-03-11 18:08:46 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
There are people who spent 12 hours a day at the weekends and lets be honest during the week updating each order they have 0.01 at a time. They start at the top of their order list and then work there way to the bottom. when they finish they just start at the top again.


Everyone likes different things. and this is the small time period before their inevitable suicide


I hope that clears up the issue for you



People use the market properly = Market bots don't exist.

Right got it. Or maybe you're a ******?

I'm going to go with the latter.



not often im called a **** by an angry teenager.

I hope your a teenager and not older
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-11 18:14:29 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
There are people who spent 12 hours a day at the weekends and lets be honest during the week updating each order they have 0.01 at a time. They start at the top of their order list and then work there way to the bottom. when they finish they just start at the top again.


Everyone likes different things. and this is the small time period before their inevitable suicide


I hope that clears up the issue for you



People use the market properly = Market bots don't exist.

Right got it. Or maybe you're a ******?

I'm going to go with the latter.



not often im called a **** by an angry teenager.

I hope your a teenager and not older


I'm old enough to know the difference between "your" and "you're". Let me know when you reach that age, then we'll talk.

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-03-11 18:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Karn Dulake wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
There are people who spent 12 hours a day at the weekends and lets be honest during the week updating each order they have 0.01 at a time. They start at the top of their order list and then work there way to the bottom. when they finish they just start at the top again.


Everyone likes different things. and this is the small time period before their inevitable suicide


I hope that clears up the issue for you



People use the market properly = Market bots don't exist.

Right got it. Or maybe you're a ******?

I'm going to go with the latter.



not often im called a **** by an angry teenager.

I hope your a teenager and not older


Judging from the name and attitude, might be even younger. Especially when it seems there is a need to be spoon fed everything rather than keeping informed or finding things out as suggested. I suppose used to too many ice creams from Mom.

I mean there is even a topical post about it less than 8 hours prior to this post so its far from impractical to be aware. Roll

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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-03-11 18:41:45 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
There are people who spent 12 hours a day at the weekends and lets be honest during the week updating each order they have 0.01 at a time. They start at the top of their order list and then work there way to the bottom. when they finish they just start at the top again.


Everyone likes different things. and this is the small time period before their inevitable suicide


I hope that clears up the issue for you



People use the market properly = Market bots don't exist.

Right got it. Or maybe you're a ******?

I'm going to go with the latter.



not often im called a **** by an angry teenager.

I hope your a teenager and not older


Judging from the name and attitude, might be even younger. Especially when it seems there is a need to be spoon fed everything rather than keeping informed or finding things out as suggested. I suppose used to too many ice creams from Mom.

I mean there is even a topical post about it less than 8 hours prior to this post so its far from impractical to be aware. Roll


So you know people's ages by their fictional names they make up for internet spaceships, and then you get all angry and want everyone to hear you whine over nothing. You're just so awesome!

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Serene Repose
#15 - 2012-03-11 20:55:02 UTC
htpeepee://www.PeopleWhoTellPeopleToSTFUareGoingToHell.com

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#16 - 2012-03-11 21:43:28 UTC
So either you are saying,

A: Bots were here since '03 and due to the way commands are processed there is no way to ever really remove them.

B: They are actually scripts in the market and the whole 'player driven economy' is a big fat lie.

I'd entertain either possibility really as all I can do is speculate but with transitional populations even 20K low point to 50K high point it's pretty much impossible to control anything in EVE. I say that from my own point of view. I couldn't possibly, manually regulate a market and corner it, not for any length of time. It's a mechanical thing, not a shortcoming on my part so it isn't like there are people out there capable of doing something I can't for personal reasons. Rational restrictions simply prevent it.

Still, it's not that hard to stalemate a market in EVE that is notorious for the title 'Spreadsheets in space'. That is what you see overall. There are so many 3rd party apps that you can run to compliment EVE in terms of marketing that don't break EULA but automate efficiency and create what is now the norm for EVE markets.

Final conclusion for me anyway is, I don't play EVE using all the tools others have available. They aren't what you call cheating but they aren't CCP or EVE made so I'm always behind the curve. Knowing that all markets are stalemated, I don't feel I am missing out either though.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-03-11 21:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Well if you think you have the interpretive and motor skills to keep up with this kind of trade botting and for the same endurance to be as equally competative then I'd be very very impressed.

Market bots simply need to stopped.

(p.s. I'm assuming the above example is genuine and not time lapsed player useage. The macro log on the right seems interesting anyhow. But I cannot be certain not being an expert about or a user of bots of course. Merely assuming its a genuine example of market bot capabilities.)

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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#18 - 2012-03-11 22:14:27 UTC
Why do work in your cubicle when you could update your orders?
Vyl Vit
#19 - 2012-03-12 01:32:24 UTC
There ain't no way on God's green earth...or New Eden for that matter, to have a semblence of a natural market as long as bots operate in EVE. Market bots? Oh Lord. Pretend not to understand this. As long as they exist, all player interaction with the market is nothing but busy work. You may as well be playing Whack-A-Mole...or Eternal Loop Tic Tac Toe.

That a Phd in economics took a good, strong look at the economy, and a few adjustments in insurance payouts and ore distribution (including crystal drops from drones, and the loot table for missions), was all that occured should tell you: A.) No wonder only a handful of economists foresaw the real world economic collapse. B.) The EVE market is but one more object of ridicule endorsed by CCP (who's so concerned about the quality of the game.)

If you really want to fix EVE, we stop paying for accounts en masse and leave the Icelandic brain trust wondering (over their beers) wtf just happened? It's obvious they either don't comprehend, or don't care. Not getting paid will certainly take care of the latter. However, there's no cure for stupid.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-03-12 03:05:21 UTC
Bots are bad, now why those are used and who does so?

->those always tell you the mineral you mine is not free?

->those for who "kill npc's sucks"?

->those playing more than a pair of accounts?

The more I think about and the more I start thinking that those doing those bots and some of those using them/selling game stuff for RMT, must win real good tax free cash.
If I was producer of my own game, i'd swimm across the pacific to buttkick some jerk playing with my kids welth. Well except if i'd play both sides of the penny but it's another story.
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