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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3501 - 2012-03-09 22:15:57 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Lol jk no one wanted Incarna.

No one that matters, that is.

No seriously, all you guys who claim to need WiS, wtf do you do when playing Eve? Do laps of the captains quarters?



that or shipspinning

i prefer walking around instead of looking at a shipspin counter.

but if you want to look at that counter be my guest ,do it forever if you like.



R.S.I2014
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3502 - 2012-03-09 22:57:37 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition.

Incarna will be a link between the two games,

Plus I want to be able to shoot mercs personally if they don't deliver on my contracts.




dustbunny execution in station ........................ i like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CoolCool and a extra emote for the goonsCool and another one Roll

I think the term that is most popular so far is "Dustmites". Lol

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3503 - 2012-03-09 23:08:32 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition.

Incarna will be a link between the two games,

Plus I want to be able to shoot mercs personally if they don't deliver on my contracts.




dustbunny execution in station ........................ i like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CoolCool and a extra emote for the goonsCool and another one Roll

I think the term that is most popular so far is "Dustmites". Lol



hehehehehe allow us to execute a dustmite or call the exterminator.

R.S.I2014
Taiwanistan
#3504 - 2012-03-10 03:51:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Taiwanistan
well sheesh DeMichael Crimson i am sorry you did not like my "walking clone" idea. remember that one time you was like no i have a billion isk clone and i won't be participating in any wis, but you like wis so much, so the solution would be a semi-desposible walking clone, so that you don't have to be dealing with JC 24hr cooldown like everybody else.

and you are right when i am in deklein i can die everytime i fleet up or go ratting so i can only be scrubbing it out with +2 instead of +5s but i deal with it like everybody else with a hisec clone. i mean with goon reimbursements i am doing ok but not incursion rich or anything. and non-consensual pvp is vindictive? so according to you all station environments are hallowed holy ground THOU SHALL NOT GANK.

you also said i was like hung up on past events? well i kinda am cus i don't think CCP just laid off 20% staff for giggles. my impression was that it's greek time austerity measures and all that so focus should be placed on the core, and not extraneous, now are you going to try and tell me that emoting and mini games are the core of eve online? i mean i really made a best-effort post but if you'd like i can go back to weapons-free trolling.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Cashantra
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3505 - 2012-03-10 03:58:37 UTC
Gerald Taric wrote:
Unfortunatelly this link doesn't work for people, who have no account at flickr.com




unfortunately i can't find another site that will host nudity.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#3506 - 2012-03-10 08:13:47 UTC
+Smile

I would like to see some additions to CQ's too but I would also like to see some improvements to the design or engine. I feel like I'm playing Modern Warfare 3 multiplayer or Battlefield 3 how my video card kicks into overdrive ... i can't be the only one here.



“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3507 - 2012-03-10 10:26:30 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "

I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.

So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.

DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler



I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog

Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3508 - 2012-03-10 11:57:37 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way.


Guard, why was this not figured out 6 years ago when walking in stations was first envisaged? How have CCP managed to spend so many thousands of man-hours and millions of dollars working on a game project that contains no gameplay?

Is it any wonder that so many players (and, one has to suspect, CCP employees) are completely jaded by the whole concept?

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Jade Knight07
#3509 - 2012-03-10 12:09:24 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "

I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.

So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.

DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler



I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog

Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things


There seems to be a reoccurring misconception about the communities stance on WiS. It is shocking to me how often our response about WiS/Incarna is incomplete or massively over simplified.

The real disappointment wasn't solely the fact that CCP shifted resources away from FiS stuff. The REAL disappointment is from the fact that Incarna was the most pathetic feature ever launched. 4 years of planning and programming and testing and making videos showing off station environment, talking about mini games smuggling, added to the communities perception of what this could bring to EVE, turning it into a COMPLETE Sifi game with meaning full avatar game play, and all we got was a small dimly lit room!?! There was more Incarna released with the character created and after with Crucible then there was with incarna!

I can only speculate on the amount of time resources and awesome talent contained within CCP that was thrown out he window.

I am all for WiS, bring the meaningful avatar game play on! Give me establishments, smuggling, and eventually some FPS elements. Like the eluded to fighting with sleepers at one of their sites. The thought is F#$*ing awesome. But after years and years of talk and teasers don't EVEN bother giving me a single room!

Then it was the implementation, forcing everyone to use WiS after you'd promised us that wouldn't happen. With the totally shameless over priced NEX store. WTF… As for the question of pay to win… I honestly can't remember anything said or done which suggested that was going to happen. However I am also, totally against it.

I know that CCP has realized they made a mistake and its encouraging that they did so and stated it. But I really wonder if they understand what went wrong. There is no reasonable way WiS could be taken any slower if 4+ years amounted to just 4 small rooms… well you do the math, that is unbelievably slow. WiS is still a great idea but after "18 months" of talk and promise neither the WiS part nor the FiS part made, and I mean really, any progress. <-- if anything that is a lesson in expectations management, and at best I believe that embodies the REAL Frustration the player base had and has.

I am thrilled to see the work that is currently being done. The progress you've made in the last six months or so, is awesome. The things that are coming out soon, are again, all kinds of awesomeness. I really appreciate it. I can only hope what I've said here helps to define the true problem. IMHO, I believe that if WiS was as full featured as eluded to up until Incarna it would have been a smash hit across the board. Of course there are all ways the haters… but that’s all they know how to do. Them hating something is.. Well.. Meaningless.

Disclaimer - This is just my opinion. I've been a loyal customer for over 3 years and have 3 accounts. Eve is one of the best MMO out there. I apologize for the adversarial tone of this post but it sparked a bit of passion within me. I wouldn't bother posting this if I felt otherwise. Lastly, CCP Guard I just want to say I appreciate you sticking with these issues, taking the heat but still coming thru to delieve whatever info you can gather. Your awesome man!
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3510 - 2012-03-10 12:26:51 UTC
Jade Knight07 wrote:
Then it was the implementation, forcing everyone to use WiS after you'd promised us that wouldn't happen.


The 'turn off station environments' option was a slap in the face to us all.

If you didn't want the Captain's Quarters, CCP literally showed you the door.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3511 - 2012-03-10 12:29:54 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Jade Knight07 wrote:
Then it was the implementation, forcing everyone to use WiS after you'd promised us that wouldn't happen.


The 'turn off station environments' option was a slap in the face to us all.

If you didn't want the Captain's Quarters, CCP literally showed you the door.


Na, it's just an option that should have been there when Incarna launched.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3512 - 2012-03-10 13:29:46 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "

I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.

So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.

DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler



I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog

Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things


So nothing new ,we all understand that for some reason CCP somehow misplaced the WIS blueprints
and that there is only a small EvE avatar team




this is from 17-1-2012

CCP Bayesian wrote:
Time for some new information on our plans.

Incarna is not dead, it is however on a slight hiatus with much less development effort being put towards it. This is partly due to the refocus on to spaceship gameplay and the War expansion. Mainly it's because we want to take the time to do the gameplay in Incarna right and learn from the mistakes we made in creating the initial release.

The effort is being led by a new, small team inventively named Team Avatar. We're tasked with maintenance and improvement of existing systems, developing new features for the Captains Quarters, NeX Store and Character Creator and prototyping multiplayer gameplay for Incarna. Our top priority after dealing with defects that are live on TQ is to come up with a solid vision and find the gameplay for future work on a multiplayer Incarna release.

We are interested in your ideas and will trawl this epic thread to see what you guys have been discussing. Any more suggestions would be good to put in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum just so that they are more visible to us.

We'll be coming out with more concrete information on what this all entails soonish but fire away with questions.



So what ideas the community has brought up is liked by CCP ?


after 53 days reading this thread and other ones you must have some clue ,is it not








R.S.I2014
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#3513 - 2012-03-10 14:19:35 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way.


Guard, why was this not figured out 6 years ago when walking in stations was first envisaged? How have CCP managed to spend so many thousands of man-hours and millions of dollars working on a game project that contains no gameplay?

they implemented the technology behind the game. The intention was obviously to reuse it for other stuff (e.g vampires). the rest of the story is documented via blog entries

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Chet Hewer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3514 - 2012-03-10 15:02:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Chet Hewer
WIS (with other players present in the same environment) has been the main thing that has kept me hanging on to this game. I keep waiting and hoping it will happen some day, but it keeps being delayed.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3515 - 2012-03-10 15:25:16 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "

I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.

So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.

DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler



I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog

Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things


Well, we are convinced that you have a plan. But the news about plans for WiS are a bit like the news about the end of the world: they're less thrilling after each Last Day.

So yes, we know you have a plan, and we certainly like that you have a plan, what else can we do? But you also did have such plans in 2006, 2008 and 2011.

And, beyond plans, the factual reality is that you are not going to provide any meaningful gameplay to WiS at least until winter 2013, and we'll be crazy lucky if you as much as add social interaction to our prison cells earlier than that... say, summer 2013. Which means that your plan is to have a plan for well over a year, and that if the CSM and the special interests it represents don't interfere.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3516 - 2012-03-10 15:34:00 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "

I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.

So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.

DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler



I bolded the part I want to correct. There is a plan. The plan is to take things slower than originally planned but also to eventually figure out a way for characters to interact in a meaningful way. We don't have a lot of details yet but we have a team working on WiS as per their recent dev blog

Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things


Well, we are convinced that you have a plan. But the news about plans for WiS are a bit like the news about the end of the world: they're less thrilling after each Last Day.

So yes, we know you have a plan, and we certainly like that you have a plan, what else can we do? But you also did have such plans in 2006, 2008 and 2011.

And, beyond plans, the factual reality is that you are not going to provide any meaningful gameplay to WiS at least until winter 2013, and we'll be crazy lucky if you as much as add social interaction to our prison cells earlier than that... say, summer 2013. Which means that your plan is to have a plan for well over a year, and that if the CSM and the special interests it represents don't interfere.

There shall be at least one additional 3d engine change and total /dev/binning of all existing stuff before space barbies hit the airlock @ 2020 nuke dukem forever style with roadkillish twist.

But hey... it will be worth the wait and makes good comedy about CCP's 3 step plan->create->deliver approach where third step always creates "guru meditation"-error and reboots the process.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
neur0zen
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3517 - 2012-03-10 17:00:32 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


....


DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler


+1

And people should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3518 - 2012-03-10 18:08:48 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:


Here's also a recent recorded interview with t0rfifrans where he discusses this among other things


Thanks for posting that clip Guard. Here's to hoping you guys are working on something new and exciting to bring to eve, other than fixes/polish.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Kale deCoste
Doomheim
#3519 - 2012-03-10 18:15:05 UTC
I look forward to the development of WIS. I really want to an immersive experience from Eve. Being able to walk around seedy bars, getting missions from shady contacts, checking out the strippers, cleaning out other players over poker etc etc etc would be so awesome.
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3520 - 2012-03-10 23:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Elanor Vega
CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad


No, no, no...

I didn't write anything about what you are delivering.
I am writing about what you guys are not delivering.

Don't misunderstand me, i deeply respect you and all CCP devs.
I think that you are one of the best DEVs in MMO industry because you guys have vision and are working to achieve that; and you guys as development studio don't work only specially for money (at least you were not in the past, and i hope you do not now)

Why i wrote that was because, lets all be honest, honesty is not your strong side. Past is the witness.
You told us many different fairy tales (if not all fairy tales in the world) and we believed you, and then nothing comes out from one fairy tale, then second, then third...
We can neglect said things, it can be interpreted many ways , lets count only things where you showed us videos or pictures... you see my point.

That's why i am complaining, because we all know that isn't all you say the truth.
I only want that our voice is heard. We don't want noting that isn't promised to us, many times, many ways, for many years now.
And when i see name of team Avatar (And we are talking about team of only few devs here.) above 2/3 of things that is not about avatars i am afraid that team Avatar is only (again) one PR thing and that you are neglecting us, and WiS, again... and i ask myself, for how many years will this go on, and on, and on!?...
And we are talking about team of only few devs here.

My words are complains, but are not with bad intentions.