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Megathron... WHY is it bad?

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-09-20 20:14:26 UTC
Demon Azrakel wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Hicksimus wrote:
The megathron is the very best solo pvp T1 battleship in EvE.

People that believe it is broken don't understand how to use it.


Tons of EHP, spare space for a neut, web, couple mag stabs, ogre II's, 1100dps without implants.....


this is only true if your opponent has the mental capacity of a brick and lets you get within scram / web range. also, the concept of a "solo pvp battleship" is just a wee bit silly, dontcha think?


I side with you, but *Garmon* (without booster alts, lets say)...



garmon is special.

not short-bus special, but god-like special P

you don't use garmon as a comparision point. he could solo a vaga with a probe.

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Hicksimus
Torgue
#22 - 2011-09-21 02:53:53 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Hicksimus wrote:
The megathron is the very best solo pvp T1 battleship in EvE.

People that believe it is broken don't understand how to use it.


Tons of EHP, spare space for a neut, web, couple mag stabs, ogre II's, 1100dps without implants.....


this is only true if your opponent has the mental capacity of a brick and lets you get within scram / web range. also, the concept of a "solo pvp battleship" is just a wee bit silly, dontcha think?



1) Most people have the mental capacity of a brick and charge straight at them, a top 10k pvp corp in EvE was unable to jump my Hurricane with 2 Drakes and a Pilgrim tonight and I almost killed one of the drakes until some ecm drones jammed me.


To the rest of what you said and to the others, I'm not feeding you trolls with full sentences.

Try flying solo, tons of PLEX retards for shooting, Megathron and Neut Domi= their ultimate weakness, charge at one and active tank the other......
Amarr pilot kiting me I'm not tackled I leave, thousands of other fish around Pirate

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Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-09-21 09:45:56 UTC
The blaster mega was a small gang/solo pvp BS that traded the utility of the domi for higher damage back in the days.

With the changes of QR late in 2008 it became practical useless for this role by his inability to project damage at close range, the web/scram changes that made it a comedy killmail in 1oX and vs undersized stuff and his low speed. Even before this, a amarr BS could deal nearly the same damage, with a better tank and a lot more range. The saving grace of the mega was the higher speed and better solo ability, till QR where nearly all traditional turret BS became undesirable for this kind of game play. Today a nano pest performs a lot better in the role that was filled by the mega once, since it offers the speed, gank and enough range to reduce his tracking issues to archive a high applied DPS. Even if it had a 90% web what would allow proper damage projection and the ability to pin stuff down at point blank it would be still far to slow and short on DPS(to be fair this even was the case in 2008) to make it a sensible choice for solo/small gang pvp again.

It also was used as a rail sniper back in the days, however the changes to lasers made it a questionable choice for DPS and it isn't even a option in the world of swift tracking med range puls setups and alpha based fights today by his very low alpha.

The only refuge today are basically undock points in Empire wars where the low speed and range are not much of a issue.
Songbird
#24 - 2011-09-21 10:14:49 UTC
not sure people in empire would undock without several neutral logistic waiting at 50-60 km ready to rep. And while an abaddon with pulses can actually have 60 km range a mega past 20 is not very useful.

I think a fast and dirty fix would be to make ammo change time be very low - maybe as low as 3 seconds - a blaster boat can still have some range and if it didn't lose 10 secs to go from 4.5km range to 11 km range... ah wth am I saying - blasters should have 15km range with AM and 25 (optimal) with null - it's a MMO game we - should think in fleet terms - and blasters are like knives in gun fights.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-09-21 12:34:59 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Demon Azrakel wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Hicksimus wrote:
The megathron is the very best solo pvp T1 battleship in EvE.

People that believe it is broken don't understand how to use it.


Tons of EHP, spare space for a neut, web, couple mag stabs, ogre II's, 1100dps without implants.....


this is only true if your opponent has the mental capacity of a brick and lets you get within scram / web range. also, the concept of a "solo pvp battleship" is just a wee bit silly, dontcha think?


I side with you, but *Garmon* (without booster alts, lets say)...



garmon is special.

not short-bus special, but god-like special P

you don't use garmon as a comparision point. he could solo a vaga with a probe.



There are plenty of good pilots in EVE. The trick really is to know your opponent, and exploit ther weaknesses, combined with some persitance, patience, experience and a tad of lucky. As such praising one pilot into the sky is quite silly, altohugh mentioned pilot is quite good sicne he has dedicated the time to become good.
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-09-21 13:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Virgil
Hicksimus wrote:
The megathron is the very best solo pvp T1 battleship in EvE.

People that believe it is broken don't understand how to use it.


Tons of EHP, spare space for a neut, web, couple mag stabs, ogre II's, 1100dps without implants.....


Armageddon does the same DPS and tanks as much as a Megathron, also fits a neut and always does maximum damage, but i'm sure EFT tells you different so how the ship does in-game doesn't really matter.
Joss56
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-09-22 02:50:43 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
Hicksimus wrote:
The megathron is the very best solo pvp T1 battleship in EvE.

People that believe it is broken don't understand how to use it.


Tons of EHP, spare space for a neut, web, couple mag stabs, ogre II's, 1100dps without implants.....


Armageddon does the same DPS and tanks as much as a Megathron, also fits a neut and always does maximum damage, but i'm sure EFT tells you different so how the ship does in-game doesn't really matter.


This

Geddon will apply it's max dps at over 40km with pulse/scorch

Mega will "run forest, run" after the geddon because peeps say so, oc it has millions of hull ehp and it's faster than any double prop dramiel.

That's why nobody want's them in fleets, they're far too good.
Ho and that's why nobody wants them in gangs, they're too fast and sign tank better than every ahac

Yes looks fine, yes you can push over 125K ehp without slaves maxed skills and still keep at least 1mfs (ho dear too much deepeeass).
Does it makes it the best solo pvp bs? OC not
The best solo pvp BS out there is, and will be for a long time, the Drake Lol

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2011-09-22 05:26:26 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
Hicksimus wrote:
The megathron is the very best solo pvp T1 battleship in EvE.

People that believe it is broken don't understand how to use it.


Tons of EHP, spare space for a neut, web, couple mag stabs, ogre II's, 1100dps without implants.....


Armageddon does the same DPS and tanks as much as a Megathron, also fits a neut and always does maximum damage, but i'm sure EFT tells you different so how the ship does in-game doesn't really matter.


Cant nano a geddon as good.

Personally I enjoy my mega in small to large gangs.
Juelz Torren
Polar Freight Express
#29 - 2011-09-22 17:30:53 UTC
I'd also like to point out that the specific damage application of blaster/rails is non existent. Projectiles can select damage type (EM, Kinetic, Thermal, Explosive). Hybrids can select range..that's pretty much it.

A gallente changes damage types by switching drones. Noone ever uses any drone types other than hobgoblins and warriors (unless its ECM and then its too late). So, this is another reason why blaster boats blow.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-09-22 17:54:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
There are plenty of good pilots in EVE. The trick really is to know your opponent, and exploit ther weaknesses, combined with some persitance, patience, experience and a tad of lucky. As such praising one pilot into the sky is quite silly, altohugh mentioned pilot is quite good sicne he has dedicated the time to become good.



well yeah ok I exaggerated a bit, but you don't use the *select* few great pvp'ers as a measuring stick on how as ship performs.
you use the hoi polloi.
that's what I was trying to say, albeit exaggeratedP

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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-09-22 20:08:44 UTC
If the Mega boni were for projectiles or lasers, would it become a good BS again? So is the only problem the weapon system?

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-09-22 20:13:20 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
If the Mega boni were for projectiles or lasers, would it become a good BS again? So is the only problem the weapon system?



hmm.. kinda unfair comparision thereP

blaster issues are complex, and go beyond just the weapons themselves.

also, what works for one weapon system, might not be the best solution for another.

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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-09-22 20:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Sebastian N Cain
Grimpak wrote:
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
If the Mega boni were for projectiles or lasers, would it become a good BS again? So is the only problem the weapon system?



hmm.. kinda unfair comparision thereP

blaster issues are complex, and go beyond just the weapons themselves.

also, what works for one weapon system, might not be the best solution for another.


Well, yes. Fitting lasers on the Mega without a bonus adressing their cap usage would be a failure.
On the other side an AC-Mega, with the damage and tracking boni for projectiles instead of hybrids should work out fine (im sure there would be some enjoying tracking like a bossCool).

However, the point is: would it be sufficient just to take care of the weapons, or does the Mega need some changes itself for catching up with the others, too?

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-09-22 22:27:02 UTC
Sebastian N Cain wrote:
However, the point is: would it be sufficient just to take care of the weapons, or does the Mega need some changes itself for catching up with the others, too?



tricky question tbh. I'm of the opinion that yes, the mega might need some changes in itself. but there are valid reasons on not changing the ship at all.

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